Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.016 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.97; '*S*': 0.00; 'startup': 0.05; 'level,': 0.07; 'plenty': 0.07; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'wrote': 0.14; "wouldn't": 0.14; 'concurrency': 0.16; 'concurrency,': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'once.': 0.16; 'program),': 0.16; 'program?': 0.16; 'subject:? - ': 0.16; 'subject:Pypy': 0.16; 'subject:threads': 0.16; 'throughput': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'wed,': 0.18; 'all,': 0.19; 'later': 0.20; 'feb': 0.22; 'issue.': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'holds': 0.26; 'least': 0.26; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'record': 0.27; 'on,': 0.29; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; '25,': 0.31; 'anyone': 0.31; 'file': 0.32; 'checked': 0.32; 'open': 0.33; 'running': 0.33; 'older': 0.33; 'problem.': 0.35; 'no,': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'are,': 0.36; 'doing': 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'too': 0.37; 'two': 0.37; 'performance': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'ends': 0.38; 'stopped': 0.38; 'window': 0.38; 'handle': 0.38; 'needed': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; "couldn't": 0.39; 'itself': 0.39; 'even': 0.60; 'guy': 0.60; 'ian': 0.60; 'entire': 0.61; 'name': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'close': 0.67; 'prompt': 0.68; 'intelligent': 0.74; 'surprise': 0.74; '2015': 0.84; 'popped': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.92; 'subject:Are': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=Ffj4HWCFcloTvUu7xbZ6MPzjVHQZVmYxph4iIkqEsjc=; b=Hmw2hMXMxo31nKZ9fQc17W43OrQCB0Dek5kpyyTXw+ZW4fiMtmxk1TivaxmArcMwwi z9ut6Jg1wo6z/DCzQU7d8fiVLGVj0DQY6ZwPV2n2xgN/cnlVNGRQYFlNso2FcBqsGdUe e9OBuSMHK2s95Ijt79iWbO1xijG+fOPBKMfTpTPd6j1o+V8MtGmi3x7hDLlHwNyDn0oY k0S6w+g2bnAp0/tZuWVYJxf8zAqGG03MLmLHQSF+orJvb5Qz7j5ZzH6+hwBTs0LOJHs/ sDdY6WcOrmyDTfoiDxAUbYhG5XCOuAhke1sfkIUB8P1T43Im0L1K/p6mLqnSEhydzxti tPig== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.114.4 with SMTP id jc4mr25112286igb.14.1424844455211; Tue, 24 Feb 2015 22:07:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <87fv9xdb22.fsf@jester.gateway.pace.com> <54ea7ff4$0$12983$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87zj85bcyu.fsf@jester.gateway.pace.com> <87lhjpb89i.fsf@jester.gateway.pace.com> <87h9udb1eq.fsf@jester.gateway.pace.com> <87bnkkb22u.fsf@jester.gateway.pace.com> <87lhjnang1.fsf@jester.gateway.pace.com> <87bnkjenpp.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <8761aqamss.fsf@jester.gateway.pace.com> <87zj82bm15.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <87pp8ybl14.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 17:07:35 +1100 Subject: Re: Are threads bad? - was: Future of Pypy? From: Chris Angelico Cc: Python Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1424844457 news.xs4all.nl 2885 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:55898 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:86381 On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Ian Kelly wrote: >> Uhh, I have seen *heaps* of code whose performance suffers from too >> much locking. At the coarsest and least intelligent level, a database >> program that couldn't handle concurrency at all, so I wrote an >> application-level semaphore that stopped two people from running it at >> once. You want to use that program? Ask the other guy to close it. >> THAT is a performance problem. And there are plenty of narrower cases, >> where it ends up being a transactions-per-second throughput limiter. > > Is the name of that database program "Microsoft Access" perchance? No, though it wouldn't surprise me if it had the same issue. No, the program was a DBase-backed one of my own development; it was the DBase engine itself that couldn't handle concurrency, so I added some startup code that checked to see if anyone else had the file open, and popped up a "retry or cancel" prompt until the semaphore cleared. Later on, I was able to shift the entire content into DB2 (once we no longer needed compatibility with an even older DBase-backed program), and voila, we had concurrency. I still needed to make use of record-level locking (if you open a record for editing, it holds a lock for as long as you have the window open; chances are, anyone else who wants the same record is actually doing the same job, so erroring out is the best option), but no more database-level locks. ChrisA