Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.006 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'encoding': 0.05; 'subject:text': 0.05; 'laura': 0.07; 'linux,': 0.07; 'ascii': 0.09; 'creighton': 0.09; 'mess': 0.09; 'php,': 0.09; 'subject:question': 0.10; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'missed': 0.12; 'windows': 0.15; '"i': 0.16; 'enough.': 0.16; 'enough?': 0.16; 'skip:s 280': 0.16; 'to:addr:pearwood.info': 0.16; 'to:addr:steve+comp.lang.python': 0.16; "to:name:steven d'aprano": 0.16; 'write,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'wed,': 0.18; 'feb': 0.22; 'coding': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'copied': 0.24; 'java': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.24; '>': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'character': 0.29; 'characters': 0.30; 'dos': 0.30; 'then.': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'url:mailman': 0.30; 'too.': 0.31; '25,': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'covered': 0.32; 'another': 0.32; 'text': 0.33; 'url:python': 0.33; 'running': 0.33; 'alone': 0.33; 'mac': 0.33; 'beyond': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'bought': 0.36; 'ram': 0.36; 'science.': 0.36; 'url:listinfo': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'too': 0.37; 'files': 0.38; "couldn't": 0.39; 'url:mail': 0.40; 'days': 0.60; 'even': 0.60; 'dave': 0.60; 'extended': 0.61; 'visa': 0.61; 'full': 0.61; 'range': 0.61; 'simple': 0.61; 'first': 0.61; 'back': 0.62; 'love': 0.65; 'world': 0.66; 'miss': 0.74; '2015': 0.84; '9:19': 0.84; 'horrible': 0.84; 'maths': 0.84; 'angel': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=3hPY1waul1gvCAwU4mkNqba/VvTCg+OvuF2ozz3drEc=; b=x1y1IfEtvs5rNNt+79vYnHv1wpfzx2hWbXCLMNJPRokKGesxLCQghtURpQBmvnctIG G+YVbrpiWWBfsrDm1TAXcrQbbfx20UIwXZTrJau+t8vfBmnkD8zyUqKVnf34g9HtHbuf iJZgaEvMqBaldTH632LTrTmM1QNvHxTbL78vzqzUxfrdAKgmzgc4UNgww1y7SoXqxA6c i/kAvbkQTBwjcCSV1c5HcAEvs0aVQ4gWEtAJjzsYp+tw0SiQ35dZsR2cN0cG5+jZ1Efm 7xFxE6kUVMm6XUHZ6/6MMfzBs6RAdC/g1rLtlYdMc80/8QFBdI3DWESX0CZZ7PIn/xVA S30A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.185.68 with SMTP id fa4mr2243259wjc.111.1424840062809; Tue, 24 Feb 2015 20:54:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <54ed232f$0$13004$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> References: <54EC5FA4.6070703@davea.name> <201502241455.t1OEtffT016452@fido.openend.se> <201502241507.t1OF7aUm018883@fido.openend.se> <201502241524.t1OFO09k022270@fido.openend.se> <201502241620.t1OGKf4n002146@fido.openend.se> <54ECB134.5090304@davea.name> <201502241945.t1OJjshO013092@fido.openend.se> <54ed232f$0$13004$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 12:54:22 +0800 Subject: Re: Newbie question about text encoding From: Marcos Almeida Azevedo To: "Steven D'Aprano" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bacb11ece5808050fe26d64 Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 118 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1424840069 news.xs4all.nl 2909 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:56594 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:86373 --047d7bacb11ece5808050fe26d64 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 9:19 AM, Steven D'Aprano < steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote: > Laura Creighton wrote: > > > Dave Angel > > are you another Native English speaker living in a world where ASCII > > is enough? > > ASCII was never enough. Not even for Americans, who couldn't write things > like "I bought a comic book for 10=C2=A2 yesterday", let alone interestin= g > things from maths and science. > > ASCII was a necessity back then because RAM and storage are too small. > I missed the whole 7-bit ASCII period, my first computer (Mac 128K) alrea= dy > had an extended character set beyond ASCII. But even that never covered t= he > I miss the days when I was coding with my XT computer (640kb RAM) too. Things were so simple back then. > full range of characters I wanted to write, and then there was the horrib= le > mess that you got whenever you copied text files from a Mac to a DOS or > Windows PC or visa versa. Yes, even in 1984 we were transferring files an= d > running into encoding issues. > > > > -- > Steven > > -- > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list > --=20 Marcos | I love PHP, Linux, and Java --047d7bacb11ece5808050fe26d64 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 9:19 AM, Steven D'Aprano = <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote:
Laura Creighton wrote:

> Dave Angel
> are you another Native English speaker living in a world where ASCII > is enough?

ASCII was never enough. Not even for Americans, who couldn't write thin= gs
like "I bought a comic book for 10=C2=A2 yesterday", let alone in= teresting
things from maths and science.


ASCII was a necessity back then becaus= e RAM and storage are too small.
=C2=A0
I missed the whole 7-bit ASCII period, my first computer (Mac 128K) already=
had an extended character set beyond ASCII. But even that never covered the=

I miss the days when I was coding with= my XT computer (640kb RAM) too.=C2=A0 Things were so simple back then.
=
=C2=A0
full range of characters I wanted to write, and then there was the horrible=
mess that you got whenever you copied text files from a Mac to a DOS or
Windows PC or visa versa. Yes, even in 1984 we were transferring files and<= br> running into encoding issues.



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Steven

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