Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.004 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; '"this': 0.03; 'cpython': 0.05; 'sufficient': 0.05; 'that?': 0.05; '64-bit': 0.07; 'exception.': 0.09; 'happen?': 0.09; 'sure,': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'element,': 0.16; 'elements,': 0.16; 'sorting.': 0.16; 'throw': 0.16; 'elements': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'wed,': 0.18; 'figures': 0.19; 'feb': 0.22; 'saying': 0.22; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.23; 'bytes': 0.24; 'skip': 0.24; 'stick': 0.24; 'source': 0.25; 'gets': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'fixed': 0.29; 'chris': 0.29; 'leave': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'array': 0.29; 'absolute': 0.30; 'that.': 0.31; '25,': 0.31; 'lists': 0.32; 'guess': 0.33; 'comment': 0.34; 'could': 0.34; 'test': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'shows': 0.36; 'too': 0.37; 'list': 0.37; 'minimum': 0.38; 'problems': 0.38; 'machines': 0.38; 'massive': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'list,': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'space': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'length': 0.61; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.65; 'moments': 0.68; 'received:74.208': 0.68; 'eight': 0.74; 'million': 0.74; '2015': 0.84; 'comment.': 0.84; 'presumably': 0.84 Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 21:41:42 -0500 From: Dave Angel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Bug in timsort!? References: <1cf84559-3a63-4799-a879-ae8e513d387e@googlegroups.com> <54ED0B7E.7030801@mrabarnett.plus.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:XR5dzmyrDotunVZ+7fkAuG7bwJ/CAafiKWkoqB2NF79 UzfvJgYTv1T3sqljBpbqu/uIl7CDjnRvTIhBj+MqYPlNLnZvkg eP6g8Ddi7pkn9ZPq8K2xQh5r18V1WCy48OtPc7vu9PVGxUJlc1 hG1mndVJZu+t5tpRUsQhmZ7lC12ZRdgH1pMRH3XypNWjcxFG0I 3pMIwe0NxTXLUKheB9fNDOIQwWyKNwxHSLJUQsCxbPLoMuOR9C Z5DdnNteppMsv1rjWwtfwL6C/+6+6lBEfB6WPqwsPkNKqaltSg RIYKQAhNQMOklcgcR86E85jt0JcnmoLomTOYhyv/zQImNw7Hw= = X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1424832117 news.xs4all.nl 2835 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:45175 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:86372 On 02/24/2015 07:07 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Skip Montanaro > wrote: >> Even if/when we get to the point where machines can hold an array of >> 2**49 elements, I suspect people won't be using straight Python to >> wrangle them. > > Looking just at CPython, what is the absolute minimum storage space > for a massive list like that? My guess is that a 64-bit CPython might > get as good as eight bytes per element; playing around with smaller > figures (up to circa a million elements) shows it ranging from 8 to 9 > bytes per element, bottoming out at just a smidge over 8, presumably > at the moments when there's no slack space (there's a fixed overhead, > which gets diminishingly significant). So an array of 2**49 elements > would take 2**52 bytes (4 petabytes) of storage - addressable, to be > sure, but an awful lot to be sorting. > > Would it be sufficient to stick a comment into the source saying "This > may have problems with lists in excess of 2**49 elements", and leave > it until that's actually likely to happen? > > ChrisA > One could do much better than that. Put in a test for the length of the list, and if it's too large for the current implementation, throw an exception. Much better than a comment. -- DaveA