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On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 10:27:36 -0600, Phillip Fleming <carnovg@gmail.com>
declaimed the following:

>In my opinion, Python will not take off like C/C++ if there is no ANSI
>standard.

	C (if not C++) had a fairly good life before it got standardized...

	Consider that before things like Tiny-C, Small-C, (and for TRS-80,
first LC [integer only subset, like the other two] and then MC [full K&R,
as I recall]) showed up the only place one encountered C was on UNIX
systems. Of course, there were also p-code Pascal's around that time-frame,
lots of BASIC variants, and one could understand a processor instruction
set well enough to create optimized assembly by hand -- in contrast to now,
when one has to understand overlapping processor instruction fetches, cache
hits, etc. before one can optimize assembly.

	
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