Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!usenet-fr.net!nerim.net!novso.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.004 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'syntax': 0.04; 'context': 0.07; 'debugging': 0.07; 'linux,': 0.07; 'mostly': 0.14; 'windows': 0.15; '"n"': 0.16; '"s"': 0.16; '*always*': 0.16; '-tkc': 0.16; 'breakpoints': 0.16; 'from:addr:python.list': 0.16; 'from:addr:tim.thechases.com': 0.16; 'from:name:tim chase': 0.16; 'hits': 0.16; 'jacob': 0.16; 'pdb;': 0.16; 'received:174.136': 0.16; 'ssh': 0.16; 'task.': 0.16; 'followed': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'code.': 0.18; 'seems': 0.21; 'command': 0.22; 'code,': 0.22; 'import': 0.22; 'print': 0.22; 'helpful': 0.24; "haven't": 0.24; "i've": 0.25; 'source': 0.25; 'least': 0.26; 'gets': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'to:2**1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'generally': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'that.': 0.31; 'inspect': 0.31; 'interface': 0.32; 'run': 0.32; 'url:python': 0.33; 'there,': 0.34; "can't": 0.35; 'editor': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'add': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'wishes,': 0.36; 'next': 0.36; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; "i'll": 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'detail': 0.37; 'list': 0.37; 'received:10': 0.37; 'step': 0.37; 'follows:': 0.38; 'url:library': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'heard': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'enough': 0.39; 'tell': 0.60; 'url:3': 0.61; 'offer': 0.62; 'making': 0.63; 'such': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'spot': 0.65; 'assistance': 0.66; 'hints': 0.68; 'prompt': 0.68; 'around,': 0.84; 'drops': 0.91; 'relating': 0.93 X-Sender-Id: wwwh|x-authuser|tim@thechases.com X-Sender-Id: wwwh|x-authuser|tim@thechases.com X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: wwwh|x-authuser|tim@thechases.com X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: wwwh X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1424632370744:3464504654 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1424632370743 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 13:14:24 -0600 From: Tim Chase To: "Jacob Kruger" , Subject: Re: Accessible tools In-Reply-To: References: <479CFB67BB2640C09ADB16742A547172@JakesPC> <00DB5382-A26A-4157-898E-854C6C14CDF0@gmail.com> <20150221122918.7e4e39eb@bigbox.christie.dr> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.10; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AuthUser: tim@thechases.com X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 48 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1424632963 news.xs4all.nl 2934 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:41539 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:86147 On 2015-02-22 20:29, Jacob Kruger wrote: > jaws, doesn't always cooperate perfectly with command line/console > interface I've heard that on multiple occasions. Since I mostly work with Linux, the only terminal-with-screen-reader hints I've heard involve using TeraTerm as the SSH client with NVDA on Windows. Sorry I can't be of much more assistance there, since I haven't really used Windows for years. > this page seems to offer enough detail relating to PDB, to start > off with anyway: https://docs.python.org/3/library/pdb.html My generally process is as follows: 1) add the following line some place before where I want to debug: import pdb; pdb.set_trace() 2) run my program 3) when it hits that line of code, it drops you to the debugging prompt 4) poke around, using "print" followed by the thing(s) I want to inspect such as print dir(something) print my_var.some_field 5) step to the next line of code with "n" or step into a function/method call with "s" or exit/return from the current function/method with "r". I'll also use "l" (ell) to list some context around the current line so I can tell where I am in the source code. This is particularly helpful as I can use the corresponding line-number(s) to jump to the same line in my editor if I spot the offending line of code, then edit it. very rarely, I'll actually set additional breakpoints (optionally making them conditional) but I *always* have to look up the syntax for that. Hopefully that gets you at least to the point where debugging isn't some laborious task. Best wishes, -tkc