Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.005 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; '"""': 0.07; '21,': 0.07; 'attribute': 0.07; '22,': 0.09; 'anymore.': 0.09; 'assumed': 0.09; 'references.': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'def': 0.12; 'question.': 0.14; 'called.': 0.16; 'etc.),': 0.16; 'garbage': 0.16; 'lazily': 0.16; 'true),': 0.16; 'x()': 0.16; 'thanks,': 0.17; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'library': 0.18; 'meant': 0.20; 'feb': 0.22; '>>>': 0.22; 'saying': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'sorry,': 0.24; 'regardless': 0.24; "haven't": 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.24; 'query': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'supposed': 0.32; 'knows': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'objects': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; '(e.g.,': 0.36; 'done': 0.36; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'so,': 0.37; 'message-id:@gmail.com': 0.38; 'problems': 0.38; 'handle': 0.38; 'anything': 0.39; 'system.': 0.39; 'how': 0.40; 'ensure': 0.60; 'eventually': 0.60; 'times': 0.62; "you've": 0.63; 'header:Message-Id:1': 0.63; 'manner': 0.72; 'subject:Design': 0.78; 'loose': 0.84; 'subject:thought': 0.84; 'careful': 0.91; 'state.': 0.95 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=6bkPrUK9kVMpzQc7Ipbp6GbEb26r5bX1wJbJ2j0a1U4=; b=eRzFar/hkMBNJY961hUty+y7JlgsMu65rDtUknGv5fWzIwZy6Dra8hHSJ4alcMSmP8 aV+oCqOlNs4NZu+CahSAvsfAOpGXdaanKGzmyVotw8fYaauTT1XGHHs0dX2aehHF9F0j iGf080sYdqug1H5XcIxaC2TI9I5FaMJ+OShxsnnrQtSJl02upqZ/rvco+k5FuGWybk28 4TzFuQS3Uh9/wlxirM0iNigmv/ttiahMk1wYVypDxX4nVRqa92Cd2+E4Aq7uB6IajEdx kYAORxsUB8pGaz4ITAv70QRfOdH4bk5jjtalt75NRx1S3594AT3E8DbdaYS7GJHt792L JdEA== X-Received: by 10.52.10.229 with SMTP id l5mr6296868vdb.52.1424612531708; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 05:42:11 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) Subject: Re: Design thought for callbacks From: Cem Karan In-Reply-To: <87k2za9mbf.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 08:42:10 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: <33677AE8-B2FA-49F9-9304-C8D93784255D@gmail.com> <87zj87i74p.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <87k2za9mbf.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> To: Marko Rauhamaa X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 53 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1424612539 news.xs4all.nl 2938 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:60224 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:86113 On Feb 22, 2015, at 7:12 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > Cem Karan : >=20 >> On Feb 21, 2015, at 11:03 AM, Marko Rauhamaa = wrote: >>> I use callbacks all the time but haven't had any problems with = strong >>> references. >>>=20 >>> I am careful to move my objects to a zombie state after they're done = so >>> they can absorb any potential loose callbacks that are lingering in = the >>> system. >>=20 >> So, if I were designing a library for you, you would be willing to = have >> a 'zombie' attribute on your callback, correct? This would allow the >> library to query its callbacks to ensure that only 'live' callbacks = are >> called. How would you handle closures? >=20 > Sorry, don't understand the question. You were saying that you move your objects into a zombie state. I = assumed that you meant you marked them in some manner (e.g., setting = 'is_zombie' to True), so that anything that has a strong reference to = the object knows the object is not supposed to be used anymore. That = way, regardless of where or how many times you've registered your object = for callbacks, the library can do something like the following (banged = out in my mail application, may have typos): """ _CALLBACKS =3D [] def execute_callbacks(): global _CALLBACKS _CALLBACKS =3D [x for x in _CALLBACKS if not x.is_zombie] for x in _CALLBACKS: x() """ That will lazily unregister callbacks that are in the zombie state, = which will eventually lead to their collection by the garbage collector. = It won't work for anything that you don't have a reference for = (lambdas, etc.), but it should work in a lot of cases. Is this what you meant? Thanks, Cem Karan=