Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Mark Lawrence Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: Everything good about Python except GUI IDE? Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 17:09:31 +0000 Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <64a6599c-fae1-469d-bcee-875165b3cc7d@googlegroups.com> <56d294f8$0$1604$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <62084c14-abd1-4214-af08-70ce8449c83e@googlegroups.com> <6dq5db5j0hg2evl7t334ftdm5sk8n5itge@4ax.com> <93t5db9sib9ldgktrt7523fnis4tgq2uev@4ax.com> <9064f06c-cbd5-4bf4-98d7-24bed0e78c10@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de eRsqxDOjlDvr4QJkm5Gx4QA625TdUNP+NM4uvztU/Lcg== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'binary': 0.05; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.05; 'newline': 0.07; 'git': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'text"': 0.09; 'python': 0.10; 'do,': 0.15; 'user.': 0.15; '(last': 0.16; '2016': 0.16; 'messy': 0.16; 'mismatching': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'subject:GUI': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'language': 0.19; '>>>': 0.20; 'windows': 0.20; 'enforce': 0.22; 'lawrence': 0.22; 'xml': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.26; 'linux': 0.26; 'chris': 0.26; 'style.': 0.29; 'convert': 0.29; 'that.': 0.30; 'code': 0.30; 'language.': 0.32; 'source': 0.33; 'conventions': 0.33; 'changing': 0.34; 'editor': 0.34; 'file': 0.34; 'done': 0.35; 'quite': 0.35; 'asking': 0.35; 'sometimes': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'created': 0.36; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.37; 'means': 0.39; 'data': 0.39; 'does': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'mark': 0.40; 'space': 0.40; 'ever': 0.60; 'art': 0.62; 'yes': 0.62; 'effective': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'saving': 0.70; 'pythonistas,': 0.84; 'subject:good': 0.84; 'utc+5:30,': 0.84; 'virtue': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.234.182.166 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21rc2 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:103653 On 28/02/2016 14:00, Chris Warrick wrote: > On 28 February 2016 at 14:49, Rustom Mody wrote: >> On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 6:54:40 PM UTC+5:30, Gordon Levi wrote: >>> Rustom Mody wrote: >>>> Glade generates XML (last I saw) >>>> XML is text... kinda... but not quite >>>> eg XML is sometimes/somewhere space sensitive, sometimes not >>>> This can generate messy diffs >>> >>> That is also true of Python code but does not preclude effective >>> source control. >> >> Yes as I said its not satisfactory but not impossible to manage >> >> Heck Current state of art VCSes cannot even manage mismatching EOL conventions >> cleanly. >> And as usual they make a virtue out of the lack: >> "git stores binary data not text" >> >> which means that opening a file created on windows on linux and saving it in >> WITHOUT a SINGLE CHANGE >> can give you a 10,000 line diff!! > > You clearly haven’t ever done that. > > 1. git can manage EOL changing if you want to enforce a newline style that way. > 2. A good editor can read and write any newline style. It should also > not convert without asking the user. > Those who can, do, those who can't, teach? -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence