Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.redatomik.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.002 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:not': 0.03; 'tree': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'memory.': 0.07; 'assuming': 0.09; 'exception,': 0.09; 'exception.': 0.09; 'iterate': 0.09; 'overflow': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; "wouldn't": 0.14; 'ast': 0.16; 'deque': 0.16; 'entries,': 0.16; 'it".': 0.16; 'exception': 0.16; 'sat,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'stack': 0.19; 'fit': 0.20; '>>>': 0.22; 'balancing': 0.24; 'module,': 0.24; 'parse': 0.24; 'possibly': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'getting': 0.31; '>>>>': 0.31; 'depth': 0.31; 'piece': 0.31; 'maybe': 0.34; 'could': 0.34; "can't": 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'done': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'two': 0.37; 'level': 0.37; 'christian': 0.38; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'that,': 0.38; 'sure': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'how': 0.40; 'ian': 0.60; 'hope': 0.61; 'helps': 0.61; 'entire': 0.61; 'matter': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; 'walk': 0.74; '(ie': 0.84; '2015': 0.84; 'walking': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=9dQXLx1OTI9Jn/OmZg/TvwcBX6x5uCVWbO+i1GLsn2s=; b=L4FV0LQ1dKSPYuqyMzgdQaD0MUzEjhV4hlIMgmIr1nJfG7L/UMHfThbBg+Dr4DmKuE K5wYq45nzzVZ1dXupXCFeijD8mZygvHf7LsxeH1R1uAt5PYBWsr8b3swEDR3Cquv7KHT 9Yn4K942eGWPd4luSMAASdXOPY3PvvN4+Pp4fWvZnkPVKIAXrUBOIced+c6XhOYLSHSu JSFkmIULsdlRaQETsKGfT9LuumADcSgRSTKBffoX6TGBnWfrilOb+R4LwKBc9Vzh/k7b mbyoykhC7ftdm9V5mC0ALTcnxBnmuUx5772eh7ydfKOGWepVD3skk31Nollm6EX8KwkM hPzQ== X-Received: by 10.107.17.29 with SMTP id z29mr19117811ioi.69.1430586045204; Sat, 02 May 2015 10:00:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <87mw1q9jqw.fsf@Equus.decebal.nl> <87383hj4zj.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <87d22lx38x.fsf@Equus.decebal.nl> <55432557$0$12994$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87383fo062.fsf@Equus.decebal.nl> <87egmzl4yr.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <87a8xnl2r6.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <87383fkxy0.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> From: Ian Kelly Date: Sat, 2 May 2015 11:00:04 -0600 Subject: Re: Python is not bad ;-) To: Python Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1430586047 news.xs4all.nl 2900 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:33093 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:89782 On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 1:45 AM, Ian Kelly wrote: >> On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 5:42 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >>> Christian Gollwitzer : >>> >>>> That's why I still think it is a microoptimization, which helps only >>>> in some specific cases. >>> >>> It isn't done for performance. It's done to avoid a stack overflow >>> exception. >> >> If your tree is balanced, then the number of items you would need to >> have to get a stack overflow exception would be approximately 2 ** >> 1000, which you can't possibly hope to fit into memory. >> >> If your tree is unbalanced and you're getting a stack overflow >> exception, then maybe you should think about balancing it. > > That's assuming it's a search tree, where you *can* just "think about > balancing it". What if it's a parse tree? Let's say you're walking the > AST of a Python module, looking for all functions that contain 'yield' > or 'yield from' (ie generator functions). To do that, you need to walk > the entire depth of the tree, no matter how far that goes. I'm not > sure how complex a piece of code would have to be to hit 1000, but it > wouldn't be hard to have each level of tree cost you two or three > stack entries, so that could come down to just a few hundred. Or you just iterate over the ast.walk generator, which uses a deque rather than recursion.