Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!dedibox.gegeweb.org!gegeweb.eu!nntpfeed.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!usenet-fr.net!nerim.net!novso.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.010 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; '16,': 0.03; 'sufficient': 0.05; 'plenty': 0.07; 'responding': 0.07; 'latter': 0.09; 'subject:script': 0.09; 'subject:using': 0.09; 'contribute': 0.11; 'suggest': 0.14; '"making': 0.16; 'did,': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'imo.': 0.16; 'subject:send': 0.16; 'written.': 0.16; 'subject:python': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'server,': 0.19; 'not,': 0.20; '>>>': 0.22; 'instance,': 0.24; 'mon,': 0.24; 'looks': 0.24; '(or': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'chris': 0.29; 'points': 0.29; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'that.': 0.31; 'argue': 0.31; 'sep': 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'this.': 0.32; 'says': 0.33; 'actual': 0.34; 'subject:the': 0.34; 'point.': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'data,': 0.36; 'false': 0.36; 'effort': 0.37; 'too': 0.37; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'enough': 0.39; 'most': 0.60; "you're": 0.61; 'making': 0.63; 'kind': 0.63; 'confirm': 0.64; 'different': 0.65; 'here': 0.66; 'believe': 0.68; 'saving': 0.69; 'intelligent': 0.74; 'gain': 0.79; 'careless': 0.84; 'pardon': 0.84; 'subject:via': 0.84; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=5L5uNQvA48fcezO9/63sgRpFDRU/ClJ2eaabmxEO1Pk=; b=0gjnoGo8nkeKS6tmeGBPqkKmpgnzGKOIYis+27rFic3g9ckij75vTOGitgMNhdouwz iNc7oMdbVpmK7S01GGu4xn+jU5SwNSkkgyUmDENBW7aX8Ufa/wYyCcEgoolDsAWGAAzN 5w4NuZi+yTV3XLsQG11sYTDzV7z64Zp9VDyfo7Dql4QKDfRjlhIEGq7fdV0GSA6dBWy4 HdC+vnAf2NYPmHINpcsZxhd6E7vJncYDnKd85aT/HsB2jTHlBLT7kwkKXM5NT8T4drch FmaijAP5S5RVo6QpP8q4ZLsrJUORU47bj3AJerzu41dUP7Uz+uedWZgDFblz+zGZs6Hp E6rA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.116.74 with SMTP id ju10mr21589971vdb.20.1379319585236; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 01:19:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5236BD75.5080904@rece.vub.ac.be> References: <305a2044-a13e-47f8-9cc1-9e3482424616@googlegroups.com> <52366466$0$29988$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <5236B356.7030308@rece.vub.ac.be> <5236BD75.5080904@rece.vub.ac.be> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 18:19:45 +1000 Subject: Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1379319592 news.xs4all.nl 15887 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:55355 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:54212 On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Antoon Pardon wrote: > Op 16-09-13 09:46, Chris Angelico schreef: >> On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Antoon Pardon >> wrote: >>> instead of showing us all that you >>> too can contribute in a careless manner? >> >> Also: It takes effort to contribute usefully in a way that looks >> careless :) It's not saving effort, it's making a point. > > So what? The end result is still a contribution that looks like > it was carelessly written. It's a contribution that SAYS that it looks carelessly written. I think most people here are intelligent enough to know that that's different from actual carelessness. > Do you think making a point is an end that justifies any kind of > means? If not why do you argue in a way that suggest just that. > If yes, does that mean baiting Nikos is all right if it makes > a point, or responding somewhat obnoxious to him? In a debate, you make points and counterpoints. In most debates, you also gain (or lose) "points for style". Steven scored plenty of the latter IMO. You're here making a straw-man and a false dichotomy; I believe that "making a point" is sufficient justification for what Steven and I did, but I don't think it justifies "any kind of means". I would not, for instance, destroy Nikos's server, data, or access to either, to make a point; and history will confirm this. ChrisA