Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.002 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.02; 'true,': 0.05; '(using': 0.07; 'debugging': 0.07; 'check,': 0.09; 'quiet': 0.09; 'windows,': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; '-tkc': 0.16; 'bryan': 0.16; 'command-line': 0.16; 'driven.': 0.16; 'duarte': 0.16; 'from:addr:python.list': 0.16; 'from:addr:tim.thechases.com': 0.16; 'from:name:tim chase': 0.16; 'received:174.136': 0.16; 'variables,': 0.16; 'do,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'code.': 0.18; 'do.': 0.18; 'module': 0.19; 'not,': 0.20; 'code,': 0.22; 'basis,': 0.24; 'tend': 0.24; 'source': 0.25; 'shown': 0.26; 'least': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'code': 0.31; 'checked': 0.32; 'languages': 0.32; 'regular': 0.32; 'screen': 0.34; "i'd": 0.34; 'interact': 0.36; 'similar': 0.36; 'virtual': 0.37; 'received:10': 0.37; 'easily': 0.37; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'most': 0.60; 'back': 0.62; 'making': 0.63; 'information': 0.63; 'such': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'between': 0.67; 'readers': 0.68; 'computers': 0.72; 'forth': 0.81; 'fired': 0.84; 'mistaken': 0.84; 'bounce': 0.91 X-Sender-Id: wwwh|x-authuser|tim@thechases.com X-Sender-Id: wwwh|x-authuser|tim@thechases.com X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: wwwh|x-authuser|tim@thechases.com X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: wwwh X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1424543263717:459702271 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1424543263717 Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 12:29:18 -0600 From: Tim Chase To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Accessible tools In-Reply-To: <00DB5382-A26A-4157-898E-854C6C14CDF0@gmail.com> References: <479CFB67BB2640C09ADB16742A547172@JakesPC> <00DB5382-A26A-4157-898E-854C6C14CDF0@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.10; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-AuthUser: tim@thechases.com X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1424543858 news.xs4all.nl 2972 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:40616 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:86061 On 2015-02-21 10:21, Bryan Duarte wrote: > those of us who rely on screen readers to interact with our > computers have a few things we do, and tend to not do.=20 [snip] While my experience has shown most of your items to be true, I'd contend that >=E2=80=A2 Do not, have access to debugging tools. is mistaken or at least misinformed. For Python, I use the "pdb" module all the time, and it's command-line driven. Combined with a multi-terminal (whether multiple windows, virtual consoles, or a tmux/screen session), I can easily bounce back and forth between a "pdb" debugging session and the source code to make edits. Just to check, I fired up the "yasr" terminal screen-reader, launched tmux (using my quiet config, since it updates information on the screen like the time on a regular basis, making it chatty), and stepped through some Python code, checked variables, and walked up/down the call-stack. I know most other languages have similar functionality such as gdb for C code. -tkc