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Subject: Re: Accessible tools
From: Bryan Duarte <bryan0731@gmail.com>
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 10:28:39 -0700
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Tim,

I am also on the blind linux list. I do not often post there as I =
predominately use a Mac and the Unix terminal but I am using Linux Kali =
on the side for some side tinkering and learning. I would use Linux a =
lot more if the screen reader was not so robotic... Would you be willing =
to be included in some accessibility Q&A or to bounce some ideas off of?=20=

> On Feb 19, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Tim Chase =
<python.list@tim.thechases.com> wrote:
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> While not blind, I have an interest in accessibility and answer a
> number of questions on the Blinux (Blind Linux Users) mailing list.
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> On 2015-02-19 08:33, Bryan Duarte wrote:
>> A professor and I have been throwing around the idea of developing
>> a completely text based IDE. There are a lot of reasons this could
>> be beneficial to a blind developer and maybe even some sighted
>> developers who are comfortable in the terminal. The idea would be
>> really just to provide a way of easily navigating blocks of code
>> using some kind of tabular formatting, and being able to collapse
>> blocks of code and hearing from a high level information about the
>> code within. All tools and features would obviously be spoken or
>> output in some kind of audio manor.=20
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> It would seem that the traditional Unix-as-IDE[1] would serve you well
> here.  This is my method of choice, and it allows me to pick my
> components and combine them.  I usually use tmux, though GNU screen
> would do too.  Within that, I usually have the following:
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> - vim to edit my code.  Though swap in your favorite, whether
>  emacs/emacspeak, ed/edbrowse, joe, nano, or whatever.  I know that
>  at least Vim and emacs support "folding" away blocks of code (what
>  you describe as "collapsing") which I usually prefix with a comment
>  that would give you a description of the block
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> - a command-line (I use bash, some prefer zsh or tcsh or whatever)
>  for things like version-control, running my code, and file
>  management (move/copy/delete/rename/link/etc)
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> - a Python command-line REPL that allows me to do quick tests on a
>  line of code as well as well as make extensive use of Python's
>  built-in dir() and help() commands which are invaluable.
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> - when doing web-development (Django in my case), I'll often have the
>  dev-server running in one pane, and a console browser like
>  lynx/links/links2/elinks/w3m in another pane so that I can put my
>  code through its paces
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> Another benefit of this is that I can run this on my development
> machine, but then SSH into the machine from anywhere, reattach to the
> tmux/screen session, and have the same configuration right as I left
> it.
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> The entire tmux/screen session can be run within an accessible
> terminal window (I know that some are more accessible than others),
> within a terminal screen-reader session (like yasr, screader, or
> emacspeak), or even remoted into via an accessible SSH program on your
> platform of choice.
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> -tkc
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> [1]
> http://blog.sanctum.geek.nz/series/unix-as-ide/
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