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From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacob@blindza.co.za>
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Subject: Re: Accessible tools
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 20:39:15 +0200
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Eric, issue is that with screenreaders, we're generally way more into
navigating code and interface character by character/by keyboard, so , yes,
keeping interface relatively simple is a good thing, but, we also would
prefer to primarily keep all interface elements to make use of standard UI
controls, and make sure tab index/order is suitable/relevant at times, etc.
etc.

As in, I think we'd primarily want to avoid having to use a mouse at all if
possible, but anyway.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Roger Wilco wants to welcome you...to the space janitor's closet..."

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eric S. Johansson" <esj@harvee.org>
To: <python-list@python.org>
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: Accessible tools


>
> On 2/19/2015 10:33 AM, Bryan Duarte wrote:
>> Thank you jwi, and Jacob,
>>
>> I took a look at that posting and it seems pretty unique. I am not much 
>> interested in the speech driven development, but I am very interested in 
>> developing an accessible IDE.
>
> Well you should be because it looks like an aural interface (uses speech 
> instead of keyboards) uses the same kinds of data to present to either a 
> text to speech or speech recognition driven environment.
>> A professor and I have been throwing around the idea of developing a 
>> completely text based IDE. There are a lot of reasons this could be 
>> beneficial to a blind developer and maybe even some sighted developers 
>> who are comfortable in the terminal. The idea would be really just to 
>> provide a way of easily navigating blocks of code using some kind of 
>> tabular formatting, and being able to collapse blocks of code and hearing 
>> from a high level information about the code within. All tools and 
>> features would obviously be spoken or output in some kind of audio manor.
> I've been working with another professor working on some of these issues 
> as well. His focus has been mostly blind young adults in India.  come up 
> with some pretty cool concepts that looks very usable. The challenge now 
> is to make them work and, quite frankly monetize the effort to pay for the 
> development.
>
> Again, this shows the similarities in functionality used by both speech 
> recognition and text-to-speech. All I care about is text and what I can 
> say. We're now working with constructs such as with-open, argument by 
> number, plaintext symbol names (with bidirectional transform to and from 
> code form), guided construct generation for things like classes, methods, 
> comprehensions etc.
>
> All of these things would be useful to handed programmers as well as a way 
> of accelerating co-creation and editing. Unfortunately, like with disabled 
> people stove piping text-to-speech versus speech recognition, handed 
> developers stovepipe keyboard interfaces and don't really think about what 
> they are trying to do, only how they are doing it.
>
> Yes yes, it's a broadbrush that you can probably slap me with. :-)
>>
>> Oh and before I forget does anyone know how to contact Eric who was 
>> developing that accessible speech driven IDE? Thanks
>
> Well, you could try looking in a mirror and speaking my name three times 
> at midnight But you would get better results if you used my non-mailing 
> list email address. esj@eggo.org.
>
> --- eric
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