Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.redatomik.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.010 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'value,': 0.03; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'etc.),': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'thu,': 0.15; '>to': 0.16; 'message-id:@4ax.com': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; '"you': 0.18; 'tend': 0.18; 'url:home': 0.18; '(the': 0.22; 'java': 0.22; '2015': 0.23; 'dependent': 0.23; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.26; '+0200,': 0.27; 'argue': 0.29; 'common': 0.33; "d'aprano": 0.33; 'subject:?': 0.34; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'there': 0.36; '(and': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'charset:us- ascii': 0.37; 'thought': 0.37; 'correctly': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'where': 0.40; 'leading': 0.62; 'here': 0.66; 'father': 0.84; 'recall,': 0.84; 'dennis': 0.91; 'mistake': 0.91; 'quotation': 0.93; 'received:108': 0.93; 'silent': 0.95 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Dennis Lee Bieber Subject: Re: Can Python function return multiple data? Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2015 19:57:28 -0400 Organization: IISS Elusive Unicorn References: <3bbe49da-e989-4a8c-a8a9-75d3a786f508@googlegroups.com> <557056f9$0$13009$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-108-73-119-127.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 6.00/32.1186 X-No-Archive: YES X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1433462356 news.xs4all.nl 2868 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:59885 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:92109 On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 17:37:20 +0200, ElChino declaimed the following: >Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > > But you still find a few people here and there who have been exposed to Java >> foolishness, and will argue that Python is "pass by value, where the value >> is an implementation dependent reference to the thing that you thought was >> the value". > >To quote Niklaus Wirth (the father of Pascal, Modula-2 etc.), >"You may call me by name. But you may also call me by reference". > As I recall, the proper form of that quotation is "You can call me by name, or you may call me by value"... Playing on the common mistake in England and the US... "Wirth" is correctly pronounced with a leading "V" (and likely with a silent "h") -- "virt" (the "name") ... But many tend to pronounce it as "worth" (the "value") -- Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber AF6VN wlfraed@ix.netcom.com HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/