Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!news.tele.dk!feed118.news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: UNSURE 0.433 X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.33; '*S*': 0.20; 'found,': 0.07; 'pylons,': 0.09; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'means.': 0.16; 'programmers,': 0.16; 'roy': 0.16; 'scientists': 0.16; 'worst': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'work,': 0.20; 'aug': 0.22; 'tend': 0.24; '(or': 0.24; 'right.': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'generally': 0.29; 'possibility': 0.29; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'physics,': 0.31; 'problem': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'height': 0.36; 'much.': 0.36; 'science,': 0.36; 'method': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'solve': 0.60; 'email addr:gmail.com': 0.63; 'name': 0.63; 'real': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'road': 0.65; 'bridge': 0.65; 'exceed': 0.68; 'reverse': 0.68; 'smith': 0.68; 'social': 0.69; 'products.': 0.72; 'funny': 0.74; 'article': 0.77; 'bridge.': 0.84; 'chemistry,': 0.84; 'examining': 0.84; 'idiots': 0.84; 'meters': 0.84; 'engineers,': 0.91; 'sciences': 0.91; 'political': 0.97; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=nxB6SxhX2FNsAyQKi24ZCN+FHJ4rRwHjoaRhbFWVjKw=; b=NOZSnR7OCHR6teMs8c7aNmqLcfgbCejJeP6iiNvsmxzVfT4sm/WFI6tADuOSheqTTl ITt0p2XJiOTbzGrtIDdFlyuYJ3I18yabZeosYz+hfP08ifOHxg8WtVwd6tlHfdUDSHPm I2ho5m+R/of2ZZ2TsJapudu2cq5crICpaJ6kIPE34jPk/YAOK3bjEg60VvT3dbilDM8G B+0QEh2ZmkpiMYjLhl0JPySf7zz/kTt0Me7duldCbLGzSIRHqSA/viS2m0jx+47YN8gK SN/8Ml/4tOxaabN6F+9zXSpLtS+gTEvB6C/E28Gu2CvB7i6SrOpYEatZPOYokv2F8eAj rCFA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.59.9.69 with SMTP id dq5mr4435181ved.87.1375625909683; Sun, 04 Aug 2013 07:18:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 15:18:29 +0100 Subject: Re: PEP8 revised: max line lengths From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 04 Aug 2013 20:11:16 +0200 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1375639877 news.xs4all.nl 15998 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:60974 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:51931 On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Roy Smith wrote: > In article , > wxjmfauth@gmail.com wrote: > >> I have always found, computer scientists are funny scientists. > > I have always found that sciences which contain the word "science" in > their name tend to not be very scientific. > > Biology, Chemistry, Physics, those are real sciences. Computer Science, > Social Science, Political Science, not so much. Right. We use the scientific method only in our worst work, like poking at a black-box system to try to reverse compile it. Our work generally involves examining a problem and figuring out which set of tools will best solve it, which is more of an engineering thing. ("Build a bridge. Your chasm is X meters across, your bridge must support Y kg of vehicles traversing it, the terrain is unsuited to pylons, and you must not exceed Z meters of height above the road surface.") And programmers, like engineers, have to deal with the possibility (or certainty) of idiots using their products. This is not a pure science by any means. ChrisA