Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.003 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'languages,': 0.04; 'bug.': 0.07; 'matches': 0.07; 'subject:code': 0.07; 'python': 0.09; 'assumed': 0.09; 'to:addr:comp.lang.python': 0.09; 'cc:addr :python-list': 0.10; "wouldn't": 0.11; 'language': 0.14; 'sat,': 0.15; '"i\'d': 0.16; 'driscoll': 0.16; 'imo.': 0.16; 'notation,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'certainly': 0.17; 'mathematical': 0.17; 'typical': 0.17; 'trying': 0.21; "i'd": 0.22; 'cheers,': 0.23; 'programming': 0.23; "i've": 0.23; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.24; 'cc:2**1': 0.24; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.25; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.25; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; "i'm": 0.29; '(and': 0.32; 'goes': 0.33; 'avoiding': 0.33; '(with': 0.33; 'program,': 0.34; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; "didn't": 0.36; 'author': 0.37; 'does': 0.37; 'why': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'mean': 0.38; 'sure': 0.38; 'july': 0.60; 'matter': 0.61; 'high': 0.61; 'world': 0.63; 'ever': 0.63; 'surprise': 0.65; 'soon': 0.70; 'contrary': 0.71; 'saw': 0.75; '*every': 0.84; 'bulb': 0.84 X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=path:newsgroups:date:in-reply-to:complaints-to:injection-info :nntp-posting-host:references:user-agent:x-google-web-client :x-google-ip:mime-version:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :x-gm-message-state; bh=Rdd+ZaXVFJXgegRvcNU8sSOoyvAacLc/EyNIpQHslpI=; b=k+BLhPs7VEQO/YG9tSdPDz6ivw5Us4uJCs2E00LuuIt1KxFg5qUZ6JrOTMp3MTTuDb G2TAJr5z32NQ9dsRhoxsrYYvdzJYPviHuECowO0jy7AJo20mDxRPMHRaPlOW46Zaw+2Q 5txsTbbXc1b9L5t5/mFeiH+EfVLU+dH4exBg6dyfjMzOY0SO4MUKWkTUC5e9YOySLwd1 j5Jyq14xmewy7Fht3ROvjdEieXO3w2yZcU322FzeUvCyytwjK+dwnSjMt3WgctqQHOPq k8OGp+3dt8AV51PjDkD7EPkKVhWXjR3axn4to0nme/cl4W7WZ7tvRVGiBjMYnp+bNY4L 1T7g== Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 04:22:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=94.209.206.24; posting-account=gpkyRAoAAABlPh1mY6Zt264UpMjIbxAz References: <6c39594f-79cb-4d4f-967e-bbc3f68cdbdf@f8g2000pbf.googlegroups.com> <4fed59b7$0$29978$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <2662370.TGmo96CKe1@PointedEars.de> <87wr2oecf6.fsf@dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr> <4FEF7117.7000109@jollybox.de> <87bok0qr62.fsf@benfinney.id.au> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-Google-Web-Client: true X-Google-IP: 94.209.206.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: code review From: lars van gemerden To: comp.lang.python@googlegroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlVY3mtDQxOjmCJFWABalv5SURG7vqyXaRP5rE/lYTIx9/eIFR8HAlE2fS84OeEbiNFjumE Cc: Alister , python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Message-ID: Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1341573748 news.xs4all.nl 6924 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:53663 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:24964 On Sunday, July 1, 2012 5:48:40 PM UTC+2, Evan Driscoll wrote: > On 7/1/2012 4:54, Alister wrote: > > On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 23:45:25 -0500, Evan Driscoll wrote: > >> If I had seen that in a program, I'd have assumed it was a bug. > > > > You would? > > I have only been using python for 6 - 12 months but in my past I > > programmed microcontrollers in assembly. > > > > as soon as i saw it i understood it & thought great, like a light bulb > > going on. > > It's not a matter of "I wouldn't have understood what the author was > trying to do" (with a small caveat), it's a matter of "I'd have assumed > that the author didn't understand the language semantics." > > I'm pretty sure it goes contrary to *every other programming language > I've ever used* (and a couple that I haven't). > > I understand why Python does it, and it certainly is nice in that it > matches typical mathematical notation, but the surprise quotient is > *very* high in the PL world IMO. > > Evan Avoiding suprises would mean we cannot improve languages, just reshuffle features? Cheers, Lars