Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!goblin2!goblin.stu.neva.ru!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.021 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.96; '*S*': 0.00; 'programmer': 0.03; 'received:209.85.223': 0.03; 'say,': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'context': 0.07; 'coders': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'implies': 0.16; 'hire': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'code.': 0.18; 'discussion': 0.18; 'bit': 0.19; 'feb': 0.22; 'programming': 0.22; 'saying': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'room': 0.29; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'usually': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'programmers': 0.33; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'project': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'pm,': 0.38; 'even': 0.60; 'company': 0.60; 'course': 0.61; 'companies': 0.62; 'more': 0.64; 'world': 0.66; 'companies,': 0.68; 'pro': 0.69; '2015': 0.84; 'fail.': 0.84; 'quality.': 0.84; 'skill.': 0.84; 'afford': 0.91; 'story,': 0.91; 'to:none': 0.92 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=scK5JCj/18AGinU0ZNfOHq1FgulwmdCWn/RrCZQfWzM=; b=kgHGIlNip1Ln9nAgGRshqZpPLzK6EA4ePDcYTVb7g+JouUbhqnP/0WiQQzpyAk5E3u MwojMYygHfkcmMRg0Er4oXNk1LlpmDePC7+Nfotipa9nYveVHfqVLxw80I1Bms58CLF1 rrNsnvR6bX8ON086hpVT4c1TlW3Dhdcm/tqObLzPfVk22AfoqUB1vIfMOe417SiDcub6 yRXB8VuB9v60N4juf6YB3mNpjASzCjf/WVLOuISK/xrAd0s63kq0sBuCH5or4UTF2WI6 TCHaRfiDALMDKfMCJf7Xict/av75XraePyrPMHYGWeDcvoMRo/0B0qOLidQ9MgU8ze1I x0rA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.14.131 with SMTP id 125mr19731087ioo.53.1423383855363; Sun, 08 Feb 2015 00:24:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <54d71776$0$13000$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> References: <54bfd513$0$12978$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87r3un8r0y.fsf@jester.gateway.sonic.net> <54d6a5b9$0$6901$e4fe514c@dreader36.news.xs4all.nl> <54d71776$0$13000$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 19:24:15 +1100 Subject: Re: What killed Smalltalk could kill Python From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1423383858 news.xs4all.nl 2920 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:37893 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:85353 On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 6:59 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > If a professional games company has their coders writing the plot and > designing the graphics, they deserve to fail. (Well, that's a bit harsh... > there's still room in the world for small indy companies, and even > one-person projects.) You hire artists to design your artwork, and writers > to write your story, and programmers to program your code. It is rare to > have one person able to do all three to professional quality. Of course you do... in a pro company that can afford to have that many people. As you say, some small companies double up; and this discussion was in the context of someone saying "I want to learn computer programming so I can write games", which usually implies a one-person project. But if anything, that makes the point even stronger: you do NOT want to start in as a programmer on a project that'll require a lot more than just programming skill. ChrisA