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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 08:10:42 -0600
Subject: Re: Python is DOOMED! Again!
From: Skip Montanaro <skip.montanaro@gmail.com>
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On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 7:26 PM, Steven D'Aprano <
steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote:

> (2) Algol, Ada, Boo, C, C#, C++, Cobol, Cobra, D, F#, Fantom, Fortran, Go,
> Haskell, Java, Julia, Kotlin, Oberon, Pascal, Rust, Scala and dozens
> (hundreds?) of other languages disagree with you.
>

Well, sure. But that's always been one of the nice things about Python,
less visual clutter. While I understand where all the type hinting activity
is coming from (and accept it as inevitable), I'm also sympathetic to
Mario's perspective.

Python-1.5-anyone?-ly, y'rs,

Skip

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