Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!usenet-fr.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder1-1.proxad.net!hq-usenetpeers.eweka.nl!hq-usenetpeers.eweka.nl!bcyclone01.am1.xlned.com!bcyclone01.am1.xlned.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.002 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:not': 0.03; 'sub': 0.09; 'subject:instance': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'jan': 0.12; 'thread': 0.14; 'attribute.': 0.16; 'clear.': 0.16; 'finney': 0.16; 'instance"': 0.16; 'old-style': 0.16; 'subject:)?': 0.16; 'subject:object': 0.16; 'thread,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'pointed': 0.19; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'error': 0.23; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'implicit': 0.31; 'object.': 0.31; 'yes.': 0.31; 'subject: (': 0.35; 'agree': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'everyone.': 0.36; 'object,': 0.36; 'ben': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'itself': 0.39; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; '2015': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=01d7p4INkzaKGCCpfnbMO4YHaM9/bSXRBLM26/py/Co=; b=SWTeELCf31Lxgv04pCCtmhaRmCsqmh6o9mbV1qf1vv0p6Z1pLFz22jqVXEy9vgaN8Q M6VsDtb8Jf5T4GP3l4qyFg7fbnBgs/RARC57tKsVoWoHwp5WXkCXME/09GcmCZW2QT1y x2gn8ZQCxZ0IQbTiPiEbe5Cn5QhyVnVCvCJzTbmqUkMlfpRueqlPeo4a3jG82W5A3pLZ FJXC1KVbDoXnFiIvmPUI/j4yqKnqI+JeMGmzZDatK1cijtaRl/a9D39DuGnBKkzcmKak ji3kjSMgG/NL/b1DdyI3dXN9EjC06tGvvlZ9n9gA7E6/ofOamSqTlxprTkOo/ISgdeff RA0A== X-Received: by 10.140.19.78 with SMTP id 72mr9400669qgg.48.1422423872720; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 21:44:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1422423466.366357.219840709.1CB2D6D1@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <80a9f882-6b13-45a7-b514-8c47b3a4c37d@googlegroups.com> <1422423466.366357.219840709.1CB2D6D1@webmail.messagingengine.com> From: Devin Jeanpierre Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 21:43:52 -0800 Subject: Re: An object is an instance (or not)? To: random832@fastmail.us Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: "comp.lang.python" X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1422423875 news.xs4all.nl 2962 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:36159 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl X-Received-Body-CRC: 196262683 X-Received-Bytes: 4143 Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:84715 On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 9:37 PM, wrote: > On Tue, Jan 27, 2015, at 16:06, Mario Figueiredo wrote: >> That error message has me start that thread arguing that the error is >> misleading because the Sub object does have the __bases__ attribute. >> It's the Sub instance object that does not have it. > > What do you think "Sub object" means? > > Sub itself is not a Sub object, it is a type object. "instance" is > implicit in the phrase "foo object". Yes. Unfortunately, it's still not really completely clear. "Sub instance" would avoid this confusion for everyone. I think the only reason to avoid "instance" in the past would have been the old-style object confusion, as Ben Finney pointed out. (BTW I agree with literally every single thing he said in this thread, it's really amazing.) -- Devin