Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.027 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.95; '*S*': 0.00; 'things.': 0.05; '32-bit': 0.09; 'buffer.': 0.09; 'newest': 0.09; 'threshold': 0.09; 'cc:addr :python-list': 0.10; 'django': 0.10; 'thread': 0.11; '(but': 0.15; 'source,': 0.15; 'beginning.': 0.16; 'client,': 0.16; 'did.': 0.16; 'hackers': 0.16; 'minimalistic': 0.16; 'oct': 0.16; 'sorts': 0.16; 'subject:dead': 0.16; 'threw': 0.16; 'tweak': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'else,': 0.17; 'thanks,': 0.18; '(in': 0.18; 'windows': 0.19; 'community.': 0.20; 'putting': 0.20; 'received:209.85.216.46': 0.21; "i'd": 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.23; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.24; 'tried': 0.25; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'am,': 0.27; 'fixed': 0.28; 'rest': 0.28; 'chris': 0.28; 'fine': 0.28; 'post': 0.28; 'activities.': 0.29; 'things,': 0.29; 'us!': 0.29; 'source': 0.29; "i'm": 0.29; 'maybe': 0.29; 'fri,': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'getting': 0.33; 'asked': 0.33; 'club': 0.33; 'done,': 0.33; 'limitations': 0.33; 'maintained': 0.33; 'produced': 0.33; 'recommended': 0.33; 'version': 0.34; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'project': 0.34; 'list': 0.35; 'whatever': 0.35; 'said,': 0.35; 'open': 0.35; 'software,': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; 'message- id:@gmail.com': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'client': 0.36; 'too': 0.36; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; 'author': 0.37; 'uses': 0.37; 'why': 0.37; 'maintaining': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'received:209.85.216': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'green': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'called': 0.39; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'end': 0.40; 'think': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'lost': 0.60; 'further': 0.61; 'personally': 0.61; 'places': 0.61; 'fee': 0.62; 'header:Message- Id:1': 0.62; 'money.': 0.62; 'received:96': 0.62; 'worth': 0.63; 'world': 0.63; 'ever': 0.63; 'skip:n 10': 0.63; 'more': 0.63; 'grab': 0.64; 'taking': 0.65; 'forward': 0.66; 'liked': 0.66; 'fact,': 0.69; 'money': 0.74; 'compatible)': 0.84; 'etienne': 0.84; 'eventually,': 0.84; 'spite': 0.84; '+1000': 0.91; 'officially': 0.91; 'serious': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=LWpX3wYbKN1KNZRLqeTbk8UyzIAVY+Lpksr2tiXtDbk=; b=Vo0YgoP9U/BRbNy9lFqN1hzrFkIZnhnJekZubzNTKfPslUsGVXM383xEFU7iwugSpo 91sVs4oujq577jGby5VJuDfDbGgL+R7l6972lsuSZzl7jsC37wktURK3PO1sqDaKUVc+ lrG9YMZRbU4U67cZd/TkG90AHhS5c5xwuAqPBXUcgdJn4v3PWZ9g634PX9Gdi3mxXtIY D/TMl6URCPLd1llcNdaKOGUCO1O/ga0ii4HUt25einMs1NyOE3fqIDfIsfrV+gbGxwPs 3DYwCIevnQEExhiAJHRBUI4YpanFWw0LeUOODUNoJNUbtH9Yw8Rq2DMf5Wy9oGiF1ahf jHIQ== Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 19:13:51 -0400 From: Etienne Robillard To: Chris Angelico Subject: Re: notmm is dead! In-Reply-To: References: <20121004141046.677dac1e8bf6dada0b6af6b3@gmail.com> <20121004181157.31c1083520ff8230242962e1@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.2.0 (GTK+ 2.24.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 58 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1349392410 news.xs4all.nl 6966 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:33248 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:30755 Thanks, but I tried all that and don't have much energy for continuing. If you're serious about open source then maybe you can forward the thread to django-developers and get some fundings to pay for a minimalistic fee to get the project maintained by someone else, otherwise I'd prefer sticking with more profitable activities. E On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 08:23:05 +1000 Chris Angelico wrote: > On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 8:11 AM, Etienne Robillard wrote: > > For $399 i give you the current source code and you can do whatever you like with it, including > > putting in github or sf. i think to have lost too many time already with further > > maintaining the open source version without getting a penny out of it. > > Like I said, I'm not personally interested; but perhaps say that to > the django list and someone'll bite. But if you're really tired of it, > then just post the source code and someone may end up taking your > project to places you never had the energy to. > > > There was - and, incidentally, still kinda is - a project called Gmud, > a 32-bit (but Win32s compatible) Windows MUD client. Its author asked > people to send him money if they liked and used the program - $US20 I > think - but almost nobody ever did. For years, Gmud was the > recommended Windows client for Threshold RPG, and yet still something > like *four* people ever sent the author money. So the author threw the > source out to the world and said "I'm done, have fun". > > Enter the Threshold RPG community. Gmud has been extremely popular (in > fact, some people still use it today), in spite of some limitations > that may have been reasonable a few years ago, but are ridiculous now, > like a fixed 500-line scrollback buffer. So some of the people there > ask me to grab the source, tweak a few things, and recompile. I'm a > geek, I do these sorts of things. > > Well, it turned out to be not that simple, for a few reasons. But > eventually, after a near-complete rewrite, I produced a new MUD client > that uses the same look and feel as Gmud, as an acknowledged > derivative. RosMud++ is now the officially recommended Windows client > for Threshold, and it would never have happened if Gmud's source > hadn't been given away. > > > It's really hard to make money off software, these days. Which is a > pity, because there's lots of good software that'd be worth money. I > do see your pain. :( This is part of why my newest MUD client, Gypsum, > is open-sourced from the very beginning. > > ChrisA -- Etienne Robillard Green Tea Hackers Club Fine Software Carpentry For The Rest Of Us! http://gthc.org/ erob@gthcfoundation.org