Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!ecngs!feeder2.ecngs.de!novso.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'measure': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'subject:None': 0.09; 'subject:Why': 0.09; 'language.': 0.14; 'convey': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'subject: \n ': 0.16; 'subject:argparse': 0.16; 'tuple': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'creating': 0.23; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; "i've": 0.25; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.27; 'tuples': 0.31; 'this.': 0.32; 'probably': 0.32; 'anybody': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'accessing': 0.36; 'collecting': 0.36; 'opposed': 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'list.': 0.37; 'lists.': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'list,': 0.38; '(from': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'enough': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'confirm': 0.64; 'our': 0.64; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.65; 'us?': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Why does argparse return None instead of [] if an append action isn't used? Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 17:18:03 +0000 References: <8tshpbxjvv.ln2@news.ducksburg.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-92-24-222-48.ppp.as43234.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1422292702 news.xs4all.nl 2900 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:50248 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:84611 On 26/01/2015 16:29, Jussi Piitulainen wrote: > > I've used tuples to convey the intention of immutability, as opposed > to using lists. For all I know, collecting a generator (from groupby) > into a tuple might be slower than collecting it into a list. I have no > intention to measure this. The programs have been fast enough for me. > IIRC, and probably from this list, creating tuples is way faster than creating lists, but accessing items is slower. Can anybody confirm this for us? -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence