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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 02:28:24 +0000 References: <54c07d04$0$13012$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <1939680766443642112.878725sturla.molden-gmail.com@news.gmane.org> <6eb91c4b-92ff-44a8-b5a9-6ef04c71f4cb@googlegroups.com> <35a40ec6-3763-448b-9ea4-4a233a04979b@googlegroups.com> <54c1ccc8$0$13005$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <9a6694a5-5774-415a-b28a-7a9425a9112a@googlegroups.com> <54c34e68$0$12976$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-92-24-222-48.ppp.as43234.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 76 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1422152930 news.xs4all.nl 2893 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:34825 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:84542 On 25/01/2015 01:00, Rick Johnson wrote: > On Saturday, January 24, 2015 at 5:56:02 PM UTC-6, Mark Lawrence wrote: >> For at least the third time the PEP was written by three >> people, one of whom was the BDFL. Why do you keep >> insisting that "he" is wrong, surely it should be "they" ? > > TWO REASONS: > > (1) I don't know either of those people. And they have > never attempted to contact me, or even participate in > discussions on this list. > > BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY: > > (2) Final decisions for additions to Python are via GvR. > Why should i waste my time "appealing for sanity" to > numerous people, when i can focus my attention on the only > one that matters? > > But why must Guido be sheltered from dissent? With power > comes responsibility! > >> A substantial number of people on both lists are perfectly >> happy to speak their mind, to the extent that Guido has >> been known to do u-turns. Nobody has any need to lick >> anybody's boots, and to suggest that this is the case I >> find highly insulting to the entire Python community. > > Enough with the spin-doctoring of my words, only boot > lickers would be offended by what i said, and that is the > whole point of saying it! Do you think boot lickers are a > valuable resource of this (or any) community? Or could it > be that you just cannot accept an inconvenient truth. > >> You (singular) have to *EARN* respect, you do not deserve >> it. If you were to stick to subjects that you have >> knowledge of, such as tkinter/IDLE, > > Oh i see. I'm allowed to participate so long as i don't step > on YOUR toes or offend YOUR delicate sensibilities? So long > as i volunteer to be locked in YOUR little rat cage, and do > exactly what YOU say. Sorry Mark, but YOUR secret > aspirations for tyrannical rule are not going to be > "entertained" by THIS community. > > This character assassination of me has to stop, and your one > of the prolific assassins on this list. Show me one time > that i have *EVER* intentionally misled a noob on this > list? You may find a sample where i've made an honest > mistake, or mis-comprehended a question, but don't you > *DARE* question my morals! > > I am one of the most honest and trustworthy people in this > community. You may find my style to be annoying, (that is > your opinion), but you have no right (and no evidence) to > question my integrity. > > You can call me any name in the book you want; you can curse > me; you can ridicule me; and all of it i can ignore; but i > will NOT allow you to paint me as dishonest. I hold honesty > as the most important of *ALL* virtues. > > You owe me an apology for slandering my integrity! > You are now getting what I should have done some time ago as my patience with you has run out. *plonk* -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence