Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Oscar Benjamin Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: [Still off-top] Physics [was Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception] Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2016 10:19:25 +0000 Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: <56d16e6a$0$1593$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <56d5cbef$0$22142$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <56d7a130$0$1611$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <101Cy.1411363$QP2.758114@fx42.am4> <56d8d10e$0$1587$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de w1M4mXo1GxikpljzF9yTZg/4G+9mhoVd6iks+yQJ0x1g== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.020 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.96; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:: [': 0.03; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.09; 'atom': 0.09; 'incorrect': 0.09; 'subject: \n ': 0.15; 'thu,': 0.15; '2016': 0.16; 'cc:name:python list': 0.16; 'convertible': 0.16; 'created.': 0.16; 'differs': 0.16; 'proportion': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'subject:exception': 0.16; 'to:addr:pearwood.info': 0.16; "to:name:steven d'aprano": 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'subject:] ': 0.19; '>>>': 0.20; 'together.': 0.20; 'cc:2**0': 0.20; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.20; 'amounts': 0.22; 'am,': 0.23; 'defined': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'appear': 0.26; 'rest': 0.26; 'sense': 0.26; 'fri,': 0.27; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; '*the': 0.29; '-0700,': 0.29; 'dimensions': 0.29; 'subject: [': 0.29; 'url:wikipedia': 0.29; 'url:wiki': 0.30; 'related': 0.32; "d'aprano": 0.33; 'mass': 0.33; 'rate.': 0.33; 'steven': 0.33; 'previous': 0.34; 'gives': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'mix': 0.35; 'url:org': 0.36; 'received:209.85': 0.36; 'two': 0.37; 'associated': 0.38; 'received:209': 0.38; 'skip:p 20': 0.38; 'end': 0.39; 'url:en': 0.39; 'subject:-': 0.39; 'rather': 0.39; 'total': 0.62; 'matter': 0.63; 'different': 0.63; 'here:': 0.63; 'march': 0.64; 'other.': 0.64; 'mar': 0.65; 'subject:off': 0.66; 'subject:skip:M 10': 0.72; 'carried': 0.76; 'anti': 0.84; 'burning': 0.84; 'century': 0.84; 'hydrogen': 0.84; 'oscar': 0.84; 'subject:author': 0.84; 'heat': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=cToB6mIDYlkopOcY4kv5UD3bx6e8887ITFGVxUUuGys=; b=v1gG2rzu0fIkaS+X5fDA3fRa2aqHy1PCQGsqkptsU7jHem3pKSlikA55ZU+sWmDunS 5NcVjpgKD23ION8c+IsObEaigu/Q0hhYILK/lC0BeMsF7gC38I/cs1L6hTJnBxjb6Wn8 dQAiutHTA4YitRW+alTGrEcsb/O5Hk2qur4mlO5vb5whEyzMFtvpEmJMfBZu+HBRxHml Ks/N1SSVSqqeLaht2TbcKa9QSdRaxwMFug0trX3JGOcDy7viLApRbiMyWcZ4ye01ojoG iAo5yN2frcMuJIKWKyvloG8GnA8Z5Wp2FvrIB407anYu1MAvhayxw/SCEec+I5+SAWFu hpdg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=cToB6mIDYlkopOcY4kv5UD3bx6e8887ITFGVxUUuGys=; b=TkRoTBtTXopa+3cOsxnD9cy4KQsWt/wt9naIeOyU0GS2qlrwvKqibA5Loa1s1CH5nn rgn2t4q/bdxRMCd63kAAtWighjIRQ8kWS0hJ0xl3Sizsaht9hKiDDvi4mreoj+0B7Y0i RjDNczYUsBunVm1gK3MAFjbTbAMtTbIGtltyEinipADMFb0UYTC19ar/GtHSBj1aE1Y3 lXJJHdVAgTc1UmgLDKWgbcBHp9NJ1fKuhGG5zweSHnt2MpGnGv063qHJDskoPdK4KfV7 o6/rHdyPfksbeW2jnPxV1Souoea6eABZjR7FtCUpWiReRF4ene+XEWlHEIHOQqMYVzBP HNDg== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJJ4XPIHIJzZtn1U6MD1Fa5VQfeelEaNq0NSOjCzH54di2C5XAS+L2VaMIUaFLAeuwgMmvGpiV7kiyGasw== X-Received: by 10.112.16.168 with SMTP id h8mr2771541lbd.90.1457086785520; Fri, 04 Mar 2016 02:19:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <56d8d10e$0$1587$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:104021 On 4 March 2016 at 00:04, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Fri, 4 Mar 2016 07:20 am, alister wrote: > >> On Thu, 03 Mar 2016 11:03:55 -0700, Ian Kelly wrote: > >>> Antimatter has positive mass. >> >> Are you sure? >> mix 1 atom of hydrogen + 1 of anti hydrogen & you end up with 0 mass (+ >> LOTTS of energy) This is incorrect. Mass and energy are both conserved. In a particle/antiparticle annihilation new particles are created. See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annihilation The mass is carried by the new particles. The new particles may have a total *rest mass* which differs from the total rest mass of the previous particles. However the total mass is the rest mass plus the mass associated with the "kinetic energy" of the particles. > As far as the reaction of matter and anti-matter, we've known for about a > century that mass and energy are related and freely convertible from one to > the other. That's the famous equation by Einstein: E = m*c**2. Even tiny > amounts of energy (say, the light and heat released from a burning match) > involve a correspondingly tiny reduction in mass. This is also incorrect and suffers from the same misinterpretation as above. Mass and energy are not interchangeable in the sense that you can exchange one for the other with e=mc^2 giving the exchange rate. Rather mass and energy are *the same thing*. Although they are different concepts defined in different ways and having different dimensions and units they are inseparable: e=mc^2 gives us the proportion in which the two appear together. -- Oscar