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To: Python Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.19 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 49 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1427346636 news.xs4all.nl 2883 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:60711 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:88026 On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 10:35 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: > Chris Angelico wrote: > >> On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 2:49 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn >> wrote: >>>> Implicit concatenation is part of the syntax, not part of the expressi= on >>>> evaluator. >>> Reads like nonsense to me. >> >> What do you mean? > > As I showed, string literals and consecutive tokens of string literals > (=E2=80=9CSTRING+=E2=80=9D) so as to do implicit concatenation *are* expr= essions of the > Python grammar. Expressions are *part of* the syntax of a programming > language. > > Perhaps you mean that the time when implicit concatenation is evaluated > (compile time) differs from the time when other expressions are evaluated > (runtime). But a) whether that is true depends on the implementation and > b) there can be no doubt that either expression needs to be evaluated. S= o > whatever you mean by =E2=80=9Cexpression evaluator=E2=80=9D has to be abl= e to do those > things. > > Which makes the statement above read like nonsense to me. What the grammar that you quoted from shows is that STRING+ is an expression. The individual STRINGs of a STRING+ are not expressions, except to the extent that they can be parsed in isolation as a STRING+. By the same token, a STRING+ is a single string literal, not an aggregate of several. Ancillary data point: >>> help(ast.literal_eval) Safely evaluate an expression node or a string containing a Python expression. The string or node provided may only consist of the follow= ing Python literal structures: strings, bytes, numbers, tuples, lists, dict= s, sets, booleans, and None. >>> ast.literal_eval('"foo" "bar"') 'foobar' So the ast.literal_eval also treats this as one literal expression.