Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!usenet-fr.net!nerim.net!novso.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'third-party': 0.04; 'base.': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'see.': 0.07; 'socket': 0.07; '22,': 0.09; 'pgp': 0.09; 'scripting': 0.09; 'sure,': 0.09; 'tcp/ip': 0.09; 'toolkit': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'gui': 0.12; 'jan': 0.12; 'wrote': 0.14; 'useful,': 0.14; '(it': 0.16; '(there': 0.16; 'bsd': 0.16; 'command-line': 0.16; 'does,': 0.16; 'higher-level': 0.16; 'services;': 0.16; "where's": 0.16; 'discussions': 0.16; 'so.': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'thu,': 0.19; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.23; 'unicode': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'sort': 0.25; 'handling': 0.26; 'least': 0.26; 'developing': 0.27; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'installed': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'tim': 0.29; 'code': 0.31; 'that.': 0.31; 'base,': 0.31; 'behind.': 0.31; 'further?': 0.31; 'libraries': 0.31; 'lot.': 0.31; 'anyone': 0.31; 'critical': 0.32; 'languages': 0.32; 'basic': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'mass': 0.36; 'behind': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'today?': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'sure': 0.39; 'either': 0.39; 'most': 0.60; 'new': 0.61; 'back': 0.62; 'networking': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'to:addr:gmail.com': 0.65; 'obvious': 0.74; '1990s,': 0.84; '2015': 0.84; 'etc,': 0.84; 'rexx,': 0.84; 'technically': 0.84 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 16:51:04 -0600 From: Tim Daneliuk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.python To: Chris Angelico Subject: Re: What killed Smalltalk could kill Python References: <54bfd513$0$12978$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]); Fri, 23 Jan 2015 16:51:04 -0600 (CST) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-TundraWare-MailScanner-ID: t0NMp4oG096526 X-TundraWare-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TundraWare-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No Cc: "python-list@python.org" X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Message-ID: Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1422053606 news.xs4all.nl 2927 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:53231 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:84414 On 01/21/2015 05:55 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 10:37 AM, Tim Daneliuk wrote: >> I find these kinds of discussions sort of silly. Once there is a critical >> mass of installed base, no language EVER dies. > > Not sure about that. Back in the 1990s, I wrote most of my code in > REXX, either command-line or using a GUI toolkit like VX-REXX. Where's > REXX today? Well, let's see. It's still the native-ish language of > OS/2. Where's OS/2 today? Left behind. REXX has no Unicode support (it > does, however, support DBCS - useful, no?), no inbuilt networking > support (there are third-party TCP/IP socket libraries for OS/2 REXX, > but I don't know that other REXX implementations have socket services; > and that's just basic BSD sockets, no higher-level protocol handling > at all), etc, etc. Sure, it's not technically dead... but is anyone > developing the language further? I don't think so. Is new REXX code > being written? Not a lot. Yet when OS/2 was more popular, REXX > definitely had its installed base. It was the one obvious scripting > language for any OS/2 program. Languages can definitely die, or at > least be so left behind that they may as well be dead. > > ChrisA > Rexx is still well used on mainframes. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/