Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.065 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.87; '*S*': 0.00; 'differently': 0.07; 'matches': 0.07; 'spelling': 0.09; 'subject:trying': 0.09; 'distinct': 0.16; 'fuzzy': 0.16; 'ideally,': 0.16; 'ignoring': 0.16; 'mardi': 0.16; 'subject:non': 0.16; 'sure.': 0.16; 'sender:addr:gmail.com': 0.17; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'slightly': 0.19; 'seems': 0.21; '>>>': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; "shouldn't": 0.24; 'mon,': 0.24; 'non': 0.24; 'handling': 0.26; 'right.': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'to:2**1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'tim': 0.29; 'to:no real name:2**1': 0.29; 'words': 0.29; 'characters': 0.30; 'errors': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; '>>>>': 0.31; 'chase': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'letter.': 0.31; 'searches': 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'figure': 0.32; 'supposed': 0.32; "i'd": 0.34; 'tool': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'case,': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'add': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'described': 0.36; 'possible': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'example,': 0.37; 'hat': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'ability': 0.39; 'sure': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'unable': 0.39; 'how': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'easy': 0.60; 'french': 0.61; 'simply': 0.61; 'email addr:gmail.com': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'different': 0.65; 'to:addr:gmail.com': 0.65; 'containing': 0.69; 'special': 0.74; 'examples.': 0.84; 'nonsense.': 0.84; 'results,': 0.84; 'subject:.. ': 0.84; 'tolerant': 0.84; 'absolutely': 0.87; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2/Up29xj2TWJAP4yk6lOdMW3OsHPmF13ggzP84y8zqU=; b=TPSRT03WG7Wq6gHbqqzhyBtLkUu3vgfTWxbu6foFj/xwpQm/6kzyoNqfVnjp2Sodft XdrDULHh5rO+bxNb30PHOCfSnGiEdwbQvI2W4E75Is+tKAmygcKTnBdi/+TaqIsJBtgD zph0knl9zHDXwkSOwgHLuX3JHwJCxisewI1DUeN4LNNE0wLTQCHUOr/TtRNS6XolN8aB tnp3v2fncpN4rtctMdM4/walsoXKtt3jhX3CJZ7qx+XNPeoJoSVAA+cD7NnauPIWhXdF fC5nzRjqrhOZo6BuGpFjBS4l+BHNK/LbE3aClR7hjYhYBNru+Tfvf86GFHfDes6g3YqN /v0Q== X-Received: by 10.49.61.9 with SMTP id l9mr6384511qer.64.1383137089098; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 05:44:49 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Ned Batchelder Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 08:44:47 -0400 From: Ned Batchelder User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wxjmfauth@gmail.com, python-list@python.org Subject: Re: trying to strip out non ascii.. or rather convert non ascii References: <526c412a$0$29972$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <526f46a2$0$6512$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 49 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1383137592 news.xs4all.nl 15976 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:53625 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:58033 On 10/30/13 4:49 AM, wxjmfauth@gmail.com wrote: > Le mardi 29 octobre 2013 06:24:50 UTC+1, Steven D'Aprano a écrit : >> On Mon, 28 Oct 2013 09:23:41 -0500, Tim Chase wrote: >> >> >> >>> On 2013-10-28 07:01, wxjmfauth@gmail.com wrote: >>>>> Simply ignoring diactrics won't get you very far. >>>> Right. As an example, these four French words : cote, côte, coté, côté >>>> . >>> Distinct words with distinct meanings, sure. >>> But when a naïve (naive? ☺) person or one without the easy ability to >>> enter characters with diacritics searches for "cote", I want to return >>> possible matches containing any of your 4 examples. It's slightly >>> fuzzier if they search for "coté", in which case they may mean "coté" or >>> they might mean be unable to figure out how to add a hat and want to >>> type "côté". Though I'd rather get more results, even if it has some >>> that only match fuzzily. >> >> >> The right solution to that is to treat it no differently from other fuzzy >> >> searches. A good search engine should be tolerant of spelling errors and >> >> alternative spellings for any letter, not just those with diacritics. >> >> Ideally, a good search engine would successfully match all three of >> >> "naïve", "naive" and "niave", and it shouldn't rely on special handling >> >> of diacritics. >> >> >> > ------ > > This is a non sense. The purpose of a diacritical mark is to > make a letter a different letter. If a tool is supposed to > match an ô, there is absolutely no reason to match something > else. > > jmf > jmf, Tim Chase described his use case, and it seems reasonable to me. I'm not sure why you would describe it as nonsense. --Ned.