Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.021 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.96; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:group': 0.05; 'psf.': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'expression.': 0.16; 'finney': 0.16; 'objection': 0.16; 'rather,': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'so.': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'comfortable': 0.22; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.23; "i've": 0.25; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'writes:': 0.31; 'anyone': 0.31; 'worked': 0.33; 'there,': 0.34; "i'd": 0.34; 'but': 0.35; 'ben': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'realize': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'expression': 0.60; 'affect': 0.61; 'myself': 0.63; 'media': 0.66; 'here': 0.66; 'subject:this': 0.83; 'received:125': 0.84; 'affairs': 0.91; 'obligation': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Ben Finney Subject: Re: Random ALL CAPS posts on this group Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 07:13:25 +1100 References: <14af0873-c00f-4ff5-85a2-81028950714a@googlegroups.com> <38b9177e-e947-4a62-9823-554e5e266c4e@googlegroups.com> <54c23572$0$12977$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jigong.madmonks.org X-Public-Key-ID: 0xAC128405 X-Public-Key-Fingerprint: 517C F14B B2F3 98B0 CB35 4855 B8B2 4C06 AC12 8405 X-Public-Key-URL: http://www.benfinney.id.au/contact/bfinney-pubkey.asc X-Post-From: Ben Finney User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Zvq0Pta0/0HWY+BYPhPNzGipsF8= X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1422044002 news.xs4all.nl 2840 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:59165 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:84395 Steven D'Aprano writes: > Ben Finney wrote: > > > Freedom of expression entails an obligation on the state to not > > quash anyone's expression. It does not affect anyone who is not the > > state; it imposes no obligation on the PSF. > > By this reasoning, you would be perfectly comfortable with a state of > affairs where a media monopoly […] What in the above makes you think I'd be at all comfortable with a media monopoly? Not so. Rather, my objection to monopolisation of media is rooted in concerns other than freedom of expression. Or, in the terms I used above: It is not freedom of expression which imposes the obligation to avoid monopolisation of media. -- \ “Oh, I realize it's a penny here and a penny there, but look at | `\ me: I've worked myself up from nothing to a state of extreme | _o__) poverty.” —Groucho Marx | Ben Finney