Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.035 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.93; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'modifying': 0.07; 'logic': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'jan': 0.12; "wouldn't": 0.14; '23,': 0.16; '4:35': 0.16; 'entities.': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'gentle': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'fine': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'developers': 0.25; 'script': 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'programming.': 0.30; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'work.': 0.31; 'getting': 0.31; 'mod': 0.31; 'allows': 0.31; 'fri,': 0.33; 'actual': 0.34; 'could': 0.34; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'programming,': 0.36; 'example,': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'files': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'games,': 0.60; 'full': 0.61; 'new': 0.61; 'times': 0.62; "you'll": 0.62; 'great': 0.65; 'teach': 0.65; 'started.': 0.68; '11:45': 0.84; '2015': 0.84; 'terrible': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.92 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=mtlpFqqm5VbUx+sVwem/MgdauX9a3SO8ALIUimrTQ5k=; b=iYR+QLGoTuazPKyqIN1NUxMabtadvtshrdAuv+jqL85ZVWXjLIkuEP/QSqLuJYilxt PcW+NC3O0se8Hqu+jXUKeTwVrUR+iMp9pEbvQhXRXeBFX1BLI8+jZToEIHt2d/4ba4Sh AJORt/KBcpEq9HYZTzgODcaYY6c9xcQ8XqFvf7G6WraLKoz6xpcvGP2k5RlugR3aXEXR aYg6Mi+YiUfPeODTL2ybmI7R4Xbz57dHlFER2/vh1237ue+UKb9gFEv5lTVI/9vsXqd3 C2S/om74+BEc9wfClNKlftltFVcff7FSyxcrz2ax9Ho7pGZOCxKovnRL+cZvK78EJSEF vAHg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.229.240.130 with SMTP id la2mr10972666qcb.9.1421993249221; Thu, 22 Jan 2015 22:07:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <54bfd513$0$12978$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <873873ae91.fsf@jester.gateway.sonic.net> <87vbjz8ui7.fsf@jester.gateway.sonic.net> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 17:07:29 +1100 Subject: Re: What killed Smalltalk could kill Python From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1421993258 news.xs4all.nl 2869 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:54576 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:84324 On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 4:35 PM, alex23 wrote: > On 22/01/2015 11:45 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: >> >> It's not a terrible justification for getting into programming. But >> writing games is (almost always) a terrible way to start programming. > > > However, modifying games, I would argue, is a great way. The ComputerCraft > mod for Minecraft, for example, added Lua-based control of in-game entities. > It allows new developers to focus on internal game logic without being > overwhelmed by the set up required to make it work. > Yes, as long as you have the right structure. I wouldn't just say to someone "here, have at it, you'll learn to program", but as part of a properly-designed course, it could be a great way to teach coding. There's a gentle spectrum from tweaking edit files ("I'm going to make the shotgun deal ten times the damage") through those kinds of script files up to actual full programming, and I think it can be a fine way for someone to get started. ChrisA