Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder2.enfer-du-nord.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.004 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'argument': 0.04; 'subject:Python': 0.05; '"""': 0.05; '(especially': 0.07; 'expressions': 0.07; 'notice,': 0.07; "ain't": 0.09; 'exceptions,': 0.09; 'friday,': 0.09; 'given,': 0.09; 'imply': 0.09; 'part,': 0.09; 'sake': 0.09; 'sentence': 0.09; 'sure,': 0.09; 'throws': 0.09; 'to:addr:comp.lang.python': 0.09; 'toss': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.10; 'accordingly.': 0.13; '"are': 0.16; '"good': 0.16; '"try"': 0.16; 'effect,': 0.16; 'expressions,': 0.16; 'merely': 0.16; 'negates': 0.16; 'negation': 0.16; 'later': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; '(in': 0.18; 'suggested': 0.20; '(by': 0.22; 'either.': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.23; 'example': 0.23; '15,': 0.23; 'statement': 0.23; 'this:': 0.23; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.24; 'second': 0.24; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'language.': 0.27; 'question': 0.27; 'chris': 0.28; 'words': 0.29; "i'm": 0.29; 'error': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'anybody': 0.32; 'suggestion': 0.32; 'could': 0.32; 'certain': 0.33; 'word.': 0.33; 'me?': 0.33; 'another': 0.33; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'acceptable': 0.35; 'received:209.85.220': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'possible': 0.37; 'does': 0.37; 'two': 0.37; 'moment': 0.37; 'quite': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'fact': 0.38; 'nothing': 0.38; 'shows': 0.38; 'your': 0.60; 'claim': 0.60; 'relationship': 0.60; 'company': 0.60; 'first': 0.61; 'hearing': 0.61; 'is.': 0.62; 'between': 0.63; 'necessarily': 0.63; 'perfect': 0.63; 'ever': 0.63; 'more': 0.63; 'offer': 0.65; 'frequently': 0.65; 'day': 0.73; 'attention': 0.75; "'try'": 0.84; '2013': 0.84; 'societal': 0.84; 'tangible': 0.84; 'try,': 0.84; '"how': 0.91; 'curse': 0.91; 'emotional': 0.91; 'feelings': 0.91; 'received:209.85.220.184': 0.91; 'was:': 0.91; 'angry': 0.93; 'besides,': 0.93; 'friend!': 0.93; 'employ': 0.95 X-Received: by 10.49.38.194 with SMTP id i2mr46599qek.30.1360914695414; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 23:51:35 -0800 (PST) Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 23:51:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=70.196.65.73; posting-account=h3aEwQoAAACiuqX-oR3gvCVFm8lLHoWj References: <5119de00$0$11096$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> <1bc6cf63-9219-4798-ae01-dfe9643d96b4@googlegroups.com> <24e6e890-6f8a-43d1-a622-63bcb407f722@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-Google-Web-Client: true X-Google-IP: 70.196.65.73 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Awsome Python - chained exceptions From: Rick Johnson To: comp.lang.python@googlegroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Message-ID: Lines: 68 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1360914704 news.xs4all.nl 6887 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:43451 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:38909 On Friday, February 15, 2013 12:18:17 AM UTC-6, Chris Angelico wrote: > And yet it is still a perfect example of how a line of > code inside a 'try' block can indeed be offensive. Oh nice try, but we are not fooled by your straw-man. My exact statement th= at provoked this whole thing was: """ Q1: How could a line in the "try" block ever be considered offensive? Becau= se it throws an error? Are you serious? """=20 If you notice, the first sentence is rhetorical.=20 "How could a line in the "try" block ever be considered offensive?" =20 My suggestion of "offensive" does not imply ignorance on /my/ part, but it = does not necessarily imply ignorance on your part either. Then, in the seco= nd sentence, I offer a possible answer to the first question in the form of= another question (asked on your behalf):=20 "Because it throws and error?" =20 Then in my last sentence, i ask another question (in a sarcastic manner) th= at negates the answer you might have given,=20 "Are you serious?" =20 This negation means that /i/ do not find ANY line in a try block to be "off= ensive". In effect, you could reduce the paragraph to this: "A line of code in the try block that throws an error is NOT offensive (to= me)." =20 As you can see from this break-down, /i/ never suggested that ANY line in A= NY block was "offensive", it was /you/ (by proxy) who suggested it. Now ain= 't that just a pickle! ;-). > This has nothing to do with exceptions, and everything to > do with societal practices and acceptable language. But "offensive" is very subjective my friend!=20 I curse quite frequently (especially when i am frustrated). To me, words ar= e merely expressions, and when i'm angry i will express myself accordingly.= However, there are many people who cannot deal with the feelings and image= s that they experience when hearing certain words. And a good argument coul= d be made for "limiting strong emotional expressions in the company of stra= ngers" -- even /if/ for nothing more than "good manners". It was for the later reason that i edited this word. And besides, i could t= oss out curse words all day if my only intent was to sensationalize the mom= ent for the sake of a few rubber-neckers. Anybody can employ the curse for = quick attention of fellow fools, however, /real/ intelligence is required t= o draw a witty abstract relationship between two superficially unrelated en= tities or ideas (especially when one entity is tangible and the other is in= tangible). > The fact that you edited it out of your quote shows just > how offensive the expression is. :) So you present "a curse word that i edited" versus "a rhetorical question i= made on your behalf", and you claim to have defeated me? Ha, classic straw= -man! > May I ring your schoolbell? Sure, but only if you use your head as the hammer.