Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'python.': 0.02; 'example:': 0.03; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'syntax': 0.04; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'measure': 0.09; 'occasionally': 0.09; 'pep': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'spreading': 0.09; 'violates': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'language.': 0.14; '"python': 0.16; 'cryptic': 0.16; 'nail': 0.16; 'nightmare.': 0.16; 'python",': 0.16; 'readable': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'url:peps': 0.16; 'do,': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; "python's": 0.19; 'meant': 0.20; 'seems': 0.21; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'typical': 0.24; 'url:dev': 0.24; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'code': 0.31; 'towards': 0.31; 'usually': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'languages': 0.32; 'url:python': 0.33; 'third': 0.33; 'convert': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'doubt': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'too': 0.37; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'most': 0.60; 'matter': 0.61; 'simply': 0.61; 'our': 0.64; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.65; 'world': 0.66; 'latest': 0.67; 'subject:! ': 0.74; 'headed': 0.84; 'intends': 0.84; 'killing': 0.84; 'essence': 0.91; 'deal,': 0.93 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Python is DOOMED! Again! Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 09:10:57 +0000 References: <54c07d04$0$13012$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-92-24-222-48.ppp.as43234.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 In-Reply-To: <54c07d04$0$13012$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1421918106 news.xs4all.nl 2901 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:52574 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:84214 On 22/01/2015 04:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Occasionally you find people spreading Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt about > Python. Python is now over 20 years old and one of the most popular > languages in the world no matter how you measure popularity: > > http://import-that.dreamwidth.org/1388.html > > so you don't often get FUD these days. When you do, it's usually about > whitespace, or "Python is too slow", or occasionally "Python 3 is killing > Python", but the latest FUD is about PEP 484 and type-hinting: > > https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0484/ > > Here's a typical example: > > Python is already headed towards obscurity. ... it seems that > GvR intends to drive the final nail in python's coffin with > this "type hinting" crap that will convert Python syntax from > a readable pseudo code into a cryptic nightmare. > > Type hinting violates the very ESSENCE of what Python was > meant to be, that is: a "clean and intuitive syntax". > > > (Google for it if you care for the source.) > So it's doomed again, big deal, it's the third time this week and the dustmen simply won't take it. -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence