Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.002 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'say,': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'plenty': 0.07; 'restarting': 0.07; 'string': 0.09; '22,': 0.09; 'caller': 0.09; 'feature.': 0.09; 'mind,': 0.09; 'oh,': 0.09; 'used.': 0.09; 'variant': 0.09; 'yeah,': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'jan': 0.12; 'wrote': 0.14; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'letting': 0.16; 'quoted': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'passing': 0.19; 'server,': 0.19; 'thu,': 0.19; '(the': 0.22; 'command': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; '"you': 0.24; 'text.': 0.24; '(or': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'equivalent': 0.26; 'long,': 0.26; 'this:': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'feature': 0.29; 'besides': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'spirit': 0.31; 'file': 0.32; 'extend': 0.32; 'could': 0.34; 'something': 0.35; 'point.': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'instances': 0.36; 'much.': 0.36; 'done': 0.36; 'too': 0.37; 'operating': 0.37; 'server': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'that,': 0.38; 'easy': 0.60; 'truly': 0.60; 'most': 0.60; 'address': 0.63; 'feeling': 0.68; 'nobody': 0.68; '"it': 0.84; '2015': 0.84; 'loses': 0.84; 'nice,': 0.84; 'address;': 0.91; 'killed': 0.91; 'to:none': 0.92; 'ports': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=zD1EN8JcNIqvY4ZxjxkzDggeCbV2lMYSAyluX987XQE=; b=JSPSJVLbahVNlgiPxIjBFPqYwS3DPsGKQprgpCZoe3y1Yzk6e5Qh4aB8lIhTcWcd4U V20niJFc0f86ahh0gxepFjMoe1TsltoTu+3QkHPk1P2SLoOFku8xXxK6su3c8+m9Tahi pXbcBsrp7OZYd0xGXF2AYrE8YYb7ZHZcRkGpv8QPyGGEnkBiAYBoOn2rq08joBypGonk dd6d4Kace/i7xOi1M9gU2XX7+/JOXo0jIoGbd9Rqngj6G2c5hha6PECfqBVgYJPAdpsK Fo8Ru7uZglF5YMgIekGKHPGU8mE2ttSi2cQ1J8vLh3ufG62utwX97vBId4++B06hKKHp 9dHg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.172.198 with SMTP id m6mr74623580qaz.11.1421896133386; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 19:08:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <0fp0cald824ke0bfphsghrfuf62nfhol2j@4ax.com> References: <54bfd513$0$12978$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <0fp0cald824ke0bfphsghrfuf62nfhol2j@4ax.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 14:08:53 +1100 Subject: Re: What killed Smalltalk could kill Python From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1421896141 news.xs4all.nl 2913 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:41536 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:84177 On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: > To my mind, what killed REXX is that most operating systems just don't > support its key feature well: ADDRESS targets! > > When the only target turns ADDRESS into the equivalent of os.system() > (or some variant of popen() ) it just loses too much. Besides the original > mainframe implementation, I have a feeling only ARexx managed to maintain > the spirit of REXX -- and that may have been as it was so easy to extend > the native AmigaOS message passing IPC to create ARexx ports letting > processes truly communicate interactively. Very good point. I can count the instances where ADDRESS could be used for something else on the fingers of one hand... and one of them was a MUD server that I wrote myself, and which nobody else ever used. And it would have done better to use SAY rather than ADDRESS; it's kinda cute, but not very practical, to have something like this: /* code file for implementing, say, the 'search' command */ if arg(1) = "haystack" then do "You find a needle in the haystack!" "It is long, sharp, and made of metal." call move_object create_object("needle"), caller end else "You find nothing of interest." Each quoted string got sent to the client as a line of text. Yeah, nice, but there are plenty of other ways to do it. (The main coolness of this system was that I could update the REXX code without restarting the server, which was pretty handy.) Other than that, it's really not a well-used feature. Oh, what might have been... ChrisA