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From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 64 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1368854897 news.xs4all.nl 15864 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:35026 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:45496 On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Consider if x is an arbitrary object, and you call "%s" % x: > > py> "%s" % 23 # works > '23' > py> "%s" % [23, 42] # works > '[23, 42]' > > and so on for *almost* any object. But if x is a tuple, strange things > happen Which can be guarded against by wrapping it up in a tuple. All you're seeing is that the shortcut notation for a single parameter can't handle tuples. >>> def show(x): return "%s" % (x,) >>> show(23) '23' >>> show((23,)) '(23,)' >>> show([23,42]) '[23, 42]' One of the biggest differences between %-formatting and str.format is that one is an operator and the other a method. The operator is always going to be faster, but the method can give more flexibility (not that I've ever needed or wanted to override anything). >>> def show_format(x): return "{}".format(x) # Same thing using str.format >>> dis.dis(show) 2 0 LOAD_CONST 1 ('%s') 3 LOAD_FAST 0 (x) 6 BUILD_TUPLE 1 9 BINARY_MODULO 10 RETURN_VALUE >>> dis.dis(show_format) 2 0 LOAD_CONST 1 ('{}') 3 LOAD_ATTR 0 (format) 6 LOAD_FAST 0 (x) 9 CALL_FUNCTION 1 (1 positional, 0 keyword pair) 12 RETURN_VALUE Attribute lookup and function call versus binary operator. Potentially a lot of flexibility, versus basically hard-coded functionality. But has anyone ever actually made use of it? str.format does have some cleaner features, like naming of parameters: >>> "{foo} vs {bar}".format(foo=1,bar=2) '1 vs 2' >>> "%(foo)s vs %(bar)s"%{'foo':1,'bar':2} '1 vs 2' Extremely handy when you're working with hugely complex format strings, and the syntax feels a bit clunky in % (also, it's not portable to other languages, which is one of %-formatting's biggest features). Not a huge deal, but if you're doing a lot with that, it might be a deciding vote. ChrisA