Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!usenet-fr.net!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.038 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.93; '*S*': 0.00; 'true,': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; '22,': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'jan': 0.12; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'goal,': 0.16; "someone's": 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'trying': 0.19; 'thu,': 0.19; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; '(by': 0.24; 'fine': 0.24; 'paul': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.27; 'topic': 0.29; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'themselves': 0.32; 'something': 0.35; 'beyond': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'fun,': 0.36; 'pm,': 0.38; 'even': 0.60; 'most': 0.60; 'different': 0.65; 'teach': 0.65; 'viewed': 0.74; '2015': 0.84; 'games".': 0.84; 'playable': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.92; 'wanting': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=5csqSV15yQ6gQ4+1QzXlwPwjOx3n3hno4MJR1rKQ5zQ=; b=fJGKiIebRhCs+cI3vST4ikLf1sShWafOFRgQyZ50BmlH1EzSuGeQzTM4QMovPJMOwN QhMLXgnNT8gB63mEcQETFMizIdgz9WvKRAU0yZyxV9G5JfoM8BdkZsykT3Ffxun8QBb0 KK1KHw42rjhw9ae7NU8YOGysyXGNdjAVYF05SY13E3EG+1/mHsGuYTwF1gjNuYln/R6U GrQGNumM+FQeZPT+LxBYn9LS6pIpwSTZyUa86itM+3FOfqD3JMkDB4uUYjOSspzRP/+J p1j/UUMSwZoGwSsQ4SiPetdWmhJrAg/HUeoYWbdFBzWN5gizJUPdyMQzoLIm5CXRyfru ht7g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.229.225.68 with SMTP id ir4mr20822592qcb.23.1421895562217; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 18:59:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87r3un8r0y.fsf@jester.gateway.sonic.net> References: <54bfd513$0$12978$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <873873ae91.fsf@jester.gateway.sonic.net> <87vbjz8ui7.fsf@jester.gateway.sonic.net> <87r3un8r0y.fsf@jester.gateway.sonic.net> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 13:59:22 +1100 Subject: Re: What killed Smalltalk could kill Python From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1421895565 news.xs4all.nl 2913 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:36153 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:84175 On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 1:53 PM, Paul Rubin wrote: >> If someone's unfazed by the "it'll take you years before you can >> actually write a saleable game" consideration, > > Wanting to write games is a completely different topic than wanting to > sell them. It's just like any other creative outlet. Most people who > teach themselves to juggle do it because juggling is fun, not because > they want to join the circus. True, but even a playable game is a long way beyond a first-day programmer. (By "playable" I mean something that someone other than its author would play and enjoy.) It's fine as a goal, but needs to be viewed with a perspective of "that's where I'm trying to get to", not "now I'm going to start writing games". ChrisA