Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.024 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.95; '*S*': 0.00; 'programmer': 0.03; 'subject:Python': 0.06; '22,': 0.09; 'vast': 0.09; 'cc:addr :python-list': 0.11; 'jan': 0.12; '11:09': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'gained': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'code.': 0.18; 'thu,': 0.19; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'tend': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; "i've": 0.25; 'second': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'reward': 0.31; 'older': 0.33; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'largely': 0.36; 'programming,': 0.36; "didn't": 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'being': 0.38; 'little': 0.38; 'quote': 0.39; 'how': 0.40; 'hope': 0.61; 'kind': 0.63; 'become': 0.64; 'six': 0.68; 'started.': 0.68; '2015': 0.84; 'old,': 0.85; 'that),': 0.91; 'to:none': 0.92; 'taught': 0.96 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=gscQ7utgrB4j46UUXdDYK8QLd9aM605AHzh1eQOv6n0=; b=ayOyCtp/eQOkJ6sE5Occ3bcccUoVjVCtobBYs4uMUlSQAkK127B7auZEE8FTuODXN5 HK4D5lmomVcfWPqjuBmHpbTOOCDSjXF1754MS2tmpPBUayyHs4ZdMQr2K8aQXwXLMnhX MD82PjkVcXRfqp6lwTECeZAyzPQNhkwZi1YLqRxRes7dyOW78AzWctCXe+0jKdqQPVXM jMD2LKFKO79AxpKpTfgQpVgSPESPrvYCaP1onhqbg4LhKWnGs7KhdDOGxE3qA76Z4HCM nNYr6Ok9Xe0LGy2/cBN8CU1f1M4j07gmeSiPGQHkda1EcgzVRrLsSKuMJvQYqrsUOPCL AiIQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.229.114.137 with SMTP id e9mr74509169qcq.0.1421890604297; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 17:36:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <54bfd513$0$12978$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <873873ae91.fsf@jester.gateway.sonic.net> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 12:36:44 +1100 Subject: Re: What killed Smalltalk could kill Python From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1421890607 news.xs4all.nl 2895 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:40158 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:84168 On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Mario Figueiredo wrote: > "I want to become a programmer so I can make games" is, on the vast > majority of cases, the quote of someone who will never become a > programmer. Why should teachers reward that kind of thought? How about "I want to become a programmer so my brother, 2.5 years older than me, won't be better than me any more"? Should that kind of thinking be rewarded? Because that's how I got started. My brother was being taught the basics of programming, I was jealous (being the second child will tend to produce that), and so at six years old, I started learning to code. And then a few years later, I wanted to learn C because my brother didn't know it (we'd both learned BASIC), and since I didn't have a C compiler, I learned 8086 Assembly Language instead, using DEBUG.EXE. Largely out of jealousy. I hope I've gained a little maturity since then... ChrisA