Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'third-party': 0.04; 'base.': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'see.': 0.07; 'socket': 0.07; '22,': 0.09; 'scripting': 0.09; 'sure,': 0.09; 'tcp/ip': 0.09; 'toolkit': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'gui': 0.12; 'jan': 0.12; 'wrote': 0.14; 'useful,': 0.14; '(it': 0.16; '(there': 0.16; 'bsd': 0.16; 'command-line': 0.16; 'does,': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'higher-level': 0.16; 'services;': 0.16; "where's": 0.16; 'discussions': 0.16; 'so.': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'thu,': 0.19; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'unicode': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'sort': 0.25; 'handling': 0.26; 'least': 0.26; 'developing': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'installed': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'tim': 0.29; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'that.': 0.31; 'base,': 0.31; 'behind.': 0.31; 'further?': 0.31; 'libraries': 0.31; 'lot.': 0.31; 'anyone': 0.31; 'critical': 0.32; 'languages': 0.32; 'basic': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'mass': 0.36; 'behind': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'today?': 0.38; 'sure': 0.39; 'either': 0.39; 'most': 0.60; 'new': 0.61; 'back': 0.62; 'networking': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'obvious': 0.74; '1990s,': 0.84; '2015': 0.84; 'etc,': 0.84; 'rexx,': 0.84; 'technically': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.92 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=LGarTRvfaCi0vHyRa8u9an0fcNYyGJgfrZ07LXRvbeY=; b=Cs0h1P0xmm0Rv/t2n/reG6KWUAZv9kC3jthe4SVLUR5tCIXTjrtT+teBQ21yMJHMG4 goZZXX2cDpi27Hwws4WDwOCfG6u/DB7k5bfaFV3np8FntLjU4nWtTtKtw4iFZyOJRUyP jbzRIBwIGV3R8T7Z5nxjKdqQbRMAf6SnS1F2W3DcQ1/REI381bZghAGO7kwSXuNrY8r6 gThGIjlZHhychDI3w7NjlMcmYulxHnzlfJOg0puAbTlsH1NR9j6nBoWqWwxeFwr4eQxH M/REra35LbCn4LEe0BJl3H6UzYFgJnrc90j7na2luhmS58AbksLbuEG//ZCHVhhLpGjS fXRw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.128.196 with SMTP id l4mr74005061qas.100.1421884527739; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 15:55:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <54bfd513$0$12978$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 10:55:27 +1100 Subject: Re: What killed Smalltalk could kill Python From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1421884530 news.xs4all.nl 2909 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:33851 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:84160 On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 10:37 AM, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > I find these kinds of discussions sort of silly. Once there is a critical > mass of installed base, no language EVER dies. Not sure about that. Back in the 1990s, I wrote most of my code in REXX, either command-line or using a GUI toolkit like VX-REXX. Where's REXX today? Well, let's see. It's still the native-ish language of OS/2. Where's OS/2 today? Left behind. REXX has no Unicode support (it does, however, support DBCS - useful, no?), no inbuilt networking support (there are third-party TCP/IP socket libraries for OS/2 REXX, but I don't know that other REXX implementations have socket services; and that's just basic BSD sockets, no higher-level protocol handling at all), etc, etc. Sure, it's not technically dead... but is anyone developing the language further? I don't think so. Is new REXX code being written? Not a lot. Yet when OS/2 was more popular, REXX definitely had its installed base. It was the one obvious scripting language for any OS/2 program. Languages can definitely die, or at least be so left behind that they may as well be dead. ChrisA