Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.023 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.96; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.02; 'subject:Python': 0.06; '22,': 0.09; 'martin': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; 'jan': 0.12; 'from:addr:anthony': 0.16; 'personally,': 0.16; 'sad': 0.16; 'titled': 0.16; 'ignore': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'bit': 0.19; 'things.': 0.19; 'thu,': 0.19; '>>>': 0.22; 'header :User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'question': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'robert': 0.30; '2009,': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'community': 0.33; "i'd": 0.34; 'could': 0.34; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'entry': 0.36; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'simple,': 0.60; 'worry': 0.60; 'more': 0.64; 'within': 0.65; 'live,': 0.68; '2015': 0.84; 'points,': 0.84; 'edwards': 0.91; 'killed': 0.91; 'trustworthy': 0.91 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.anonymail.us Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 17:19:17 -0600 From: Anthony Papillion User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: What killed Smalltalk could kill Python References: <54bfd513$0$12978$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> In-Reply-To: OpenPGP: id=53B04B15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1421882690 news.xs4all.nl 2860 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:40965 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:84154 On 01/21/2015 04:35 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 6:18 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: >> On 2015-01-21, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >>> In 2009, Robert Martin gave a talk at RailsConf titled "What Killed >>> Smalltalk Could Kill Ruby". >> >> But does he answer the more important question "and can we use it to >> kill PHP?". > > PHP won't die so long as there are people willing to apologize for its > every flaw and defend it on the basis that huge sites X, Y, and Z all > use it. But we don't need it to die. All we need is for Python to > live, and we can ignore PHP and write Unicode-aware web sites with > simple, trustworthy entry points, and not worry about the rest. To be fair, PHP has come a long way in the last few years and, I hear, there's movements within the community to make it better. Namespaces were a bit deal as were a few other things. Personally, while I am LOVING Python, I'd be sad to see PHP die. It's got a lot of potential if the community can get its crap together and take off the ruby coloured glasses. Anthony