Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.fsmpi.rwth-aachen.de!newsfeed.straub-nv.de!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.060 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.89; '*S*': 0.01; 'subject:Python': 0.06; '22,': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'martin': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; 'jan': 0.12; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'titled': 0.16; 'ignore': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'thu,': 0.19; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'question': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'robert': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; '2009,': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'could': 0.34; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'entry': 0.36; 'does': 0.39; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'simple,': 0.60; 'worry': 0.60; 'more': 0.64; 'live,': 0.68; '2015': 0.84; 'points,': 0.84; 'edwards': 0.91; 'killed': 0.91; 'trustworthy': 0.91; 'to:none': 0.92 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=Lwn14D3DC7n2JZdSxaEQR/rjvYI5uvWSaZeKOz44aI4=; b=o0vqGnImY5S0lv8VZ3Ikiqjq/m+PCaMp7Lk+XOhejPLY3zDiWwJgNb0LY6iZURJ803 6Ajcn+RMRBTnogJ1NOiLcRGtJyNGswfsQbKQi4wMPKu++3Qlt55gjNJBhivxyU/V7PLh oXtu/O8WoKbfrbEE51Ps49m4Vt2W/koUhEMbDKO/JAJqN+1VOxxcIYyiK1uUSCLqLBi8 LWIZQTm1a7rElKkpBCSHHTrfQW7uf5rTkpBYEgzlWLeBj4oW21Eom2mpeN4Efeod8VzS ja3LUioJYfjrEEsTA5/QIbF4pf7O4GgV4/Csj6+UHh3/EChJxVW+0xWU+dRcucBczrR3 +lAg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.90.112 with SMTP id w103mr57012692qgd.65.1421879745709; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 14:35:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <54bfd513$0$12978$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 09:35:45 +1100 Subject: Re: What killed Smalltalk could kill Python From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1421879748 news.xs4all.nl 2971 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:48222 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:84150 On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 6:18 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2015-01-21, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> In 2009, Robert Martin gave a talk at RailsConf titled "What Killed >> Smalltalk Could Kill Ruby". > > But does he answer the more important question "and can we use it to > kill PHP?". PHP won't die so long as there are people willing to apologize for its every flaw and defend it on the basis that huge sites X, Y, and Z all use it. But we don't need it to die. All we need is for Python to live, and we can ignore PHP and write Unicode-aware web sites with simple, trustworthy entry points, and not worry about the rest. ChrisA