Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.franciliens.net!fdn.fr!usenet-fr.net!nerim.net!novso.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.008 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'received:209.85.223': 0.03; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'memory.': 0.07; 'steve': 0.09; 'string': 0.09; '22,': 0.09; 'integers': 0.09; 'subject:How': 0.10; 'python': 0.11; 'jan': 0.12; 'behave': 0.16; 'hayes': 0.16; 'heads.': 0.16; 'it;': 0.16; 'limit,': 0.16; 'normally,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'basically': 0.19; "python's": 0.19; 'thu,': 0.19; '>>>': 0.22; 'cc:addr:gmail.com': 0.22; 'to:name:python- list@python.org': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'either.': 0.24; 'integer': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; '(maybe': 0.31; 'worked': 0.33; 'limitation': 0.33; 'older': 0.33; 'could': 0.34; 'basic': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'beyond': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'useful': 0.36; 'received:209': 0.37; 'subject:new': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'ability': 0.39; 'subject:" ': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'even': 0.60; 'most': 0.60; 'gone': 0.61; 'length': 0.61; 'numbers': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; 'first': 0.61; 'show': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'limit': 0.70; 'discovered': 0.83; '2015': 0.84; 'amazed': 0.84; 'so...': 0.84; 'versions)': 0.84 X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=1vLvHbMQS47U+EkN9INRNs3ae1laXFlNNZc7ReVwttE=; b=LgYaKtvZVlBXVIJrb2eDGaiTnqSwvBRROCeizx8uqlxUXsKu2MdHjNKNG2sGeUVRcL C4ZkANkeVtnLakc8bXVjy4OnB/VH41DHIxpknz7KqS15byY9sbWjZOWM1vk7Kd4VRL8A EYELiz15ArcLB2w9nfJEBiKS8oHYeBAzO9YywL6F/TjitjOerTQK6yrcbO2fyX17mJ8K FEsJeklpkIuEq4G+Z/W5qRNkmkyOEfQpObtnPmcCgPnQNk9WWVgR63ZKvYwiemYOu18s jdMgVPt8ucvp7UmLjhwCgKtzyU+JC7qYWqRCGPxSaEVzM/1qiELRknUfyDRHLX3NSuuF iK8Q== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkJimeFPBzk5LDzTes39292AEXN+jnCVjdPwiHH8SvYioBfX827IddVwcTfxMkcPODsfkT0cEk1vxTwXN9RLoitskYW7HkSMdBdB/hv+byRHzZP9Ajy/qZBboh+mATTuLKYvL+F X-Received: by 10.50.85.44 with SMTP id e12mr19636621igz.48.1421875204405; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 13:20:04 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.50.85.44 with SMTP id e12mr19636614igz.48.1421875204336; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 13:20:04 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Ruffalo X-Google-Original-From: Matthew Ruffalo Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 16:20:02 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "python-list@python.org" Subject: Re: How to "wow" someone new to Python References: <82qvba51o427s4m63agk6ghekm0btg81on@4ax.com> <54bfedf5$0$2876$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mpv1.tis.cwru.edu) X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1421875588 news.xs4all.nl 2893 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:43483 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:84141 On 01/21/2015 02:06 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 5:20 AM, Irmen de Jong wrote: >> On 21-1-2015 18:59, Steve Hayes wrote: >> >>> 3. When I started to look at it, I found that strings could be any length and >>> were not limited to swomething arbitrary, like 256 characters. >> Even more fun is that Python's primitive integer type (longs for older Python versions) >> has no arbitrary limitation either. >> >> That amazed me at the time I discovered python :) > I hadn't worked with length-limited strings in basically forever > (technically BASIC has a length limit, but I never ran into it; and I > never did much with Pascal), but you're right, arbitrary-precision > integers would have impressed me a lot more if I hadn't first known > REXX. So... is there a way to show that off efficiently? Normally, any > calculation that goes beyond 2**32 has already gone way beyond most > humans' ability to hold the numbers in their heads. > > ChrisA Yes, length-unlimited strings are *extremely* useful in some applications. I remember bitterly cursing Java's string length limit of 2 ** 31 (maybe - 1) on multiple occasions. Python's strings seem to behave like integers in that their size is limited only by available memory. MMR...