Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!usenet-fr.net!nerim.net!novso.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.036 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.93; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.06; '"""': 0.07; 'memory.': 0.07; 'disclosure:': 0.09; 'system;': 0.09; 'yeah,': 0.09; 'martin': 0.11; 'mostly': 0.14; 'compatible,': 0.16; 'did.': 0.16; 'from:addr:xs4all.nl': 0.16; 'patience': 0.16; 'rails,': 0.16; 'randal': 0.16; 'received:194.109': 0.16; 'received:194.109.24': 0.16; 'received:194.109.24.22': 0.16; 'received:xs4all.nl': 0.16; 'titled': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'later': 0.20; 'seems': 0.21; '"you': 0.24; 'lets': 0.24; "haven't": 0.24; 'sort': 0.25; "i've": 0.25; 'recognized': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'tried': 0.27; 'leave': 0.29; 'robert': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'that.': 0.31; '2009,': 0.31; 'extract': 0.31; 'faster,': 0.31; 'tonight,': 0.31; 'file': 0.32; 'run': 0.32; 'text': 0.33; 'to:name:python-list': 0.33; 'could': 0.34; "can't": 0.35; 'editor': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; "didn't": 0.36; "i'll": 0.36; 'behind': 0.37; 'so,': 0.37; 'too': 0.37; 'awesome': 0.38; 'somebody': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'files': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'interview': 0.61; 'new': 0.61; 'world.': 0.61; 'save': 0.62; 'times': 0.62; 'header:Message-Id:1': 0.63; 'show': 0.63; 'real': 0.63; 'july': 0.63; 'received:194': 0.64; 'different': 0.65; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.65; 'percent': 0.68; 'real-world': 0.68; 'video,': 0.68; 'computers': 0.72; 'received:nl': 0.74; 'glad': 0.83; 'approaches,': 0.84; 'confusing': 0.84; 'hassle.': 0.84; 'killed': 0.91; 'why?': 0.91 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Subject: Re: What killed Smalltalk could kill Python From: Michiel Overtoom In-Reply-To: <54bfd513$0$12978$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 18:45:05 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: <54bfd513$0$12978$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> To: python-list X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 43 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1421862374 news.xs4all.nl 2904 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:45526 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:84132 Hi Steven, you wrote: > In 2009, Robert Martin gave a talk at RailsConf titled "What Killed > Smalltalk Could Kill Ruby". I've yet to watch the video, I'll do that later tonight, but I also = remember what DHH said about Smalltalk in his FLOSS interview about = Rails, with Randal Schwartz, in July 2009: """ [...] Smalltalk in itself... I tried a few times with some of the = images, but it's too much of a different world. It's too idealistic for = me in some senses. It's too much =93throw out everything you know and I = will show you a new world=94. I haven't been ready to take that red = pill. I really like that Ruby is sort of, lets extract 80, 90 percent of what = awesome about that and inject it with some real-world pragmatic = approaches, like: You can use the text editor you like; You can save = files on the file system; You can all these things in tracks with the = real world. You don't have to leave everything behind to jump into this = Smalltalk world. To me the whole thing about the Smalltalk images which = is always just too confusing to me. Why? There's all this different = distributions, they're not really compatible, it just seems like a = hassle. I just didn't have the patience to wade through all that. But = I'm glad somebody else did. I'm glad that all that wisdom is available = mostly to people using Ruby. So, yeah, again: Not really. """ Source: = http://www.transcribed-interview.com/dhh-rails-david-heinemeier-hansson-in= terview-randal-schwartz-floss.html Disclosure: I'm the one who made that transcription, and I recognized it = from memory. Greetings, --=20 "You can't actually make computers run faster, you can only make them do = less." - RiderOfGiraffes