Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.mixmin.net!feed.xsnews.nl!border-2.ams.xsnews.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.012 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'python': 0.09; 'etc.),': 0.09; 'received:mail-vb0-f46.google.com': 0.09; 'ruby,': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.10; 'language,': 0.11; 'least,': 0.16; 'oct': 0.16; 'python",': 0.16; 'remedied': 0.16; 'ugly.': 0.16; 'wed,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'received:209.85.212.46': 0.18; 'bit': 0.21; 'assuming': 0.22; "i'd": 0.22; 'cheers,': 0.23; 'cc:2**0': 0.23; 'programming': 0.23; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.24; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'am,': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'received:209.85.212': 0.28; 'chris': 0.28; 'oop': 0.29; 'perl': 0.29; 'subject:what': 0.29; "i'm": 0.29; 'point': 0.31; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'so,': 0.35; 'subject:?': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'being': 0.37; 'why': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; "you'll": 0.62; 'friends': 0.83; '"learn': 0.84; '2.2.': 0.84; 'deficit': 0.84; 'sender:addr:chris': 0.84; 'subject:learn': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rebertia.com; s=google; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=YuZAWrNsP5liSR5F5A5k5qENXYUOEv2hxtNxSiOydkU=; b=cEjf7BlIfQfGI9RaocDKS2Cn1cJDb12qww5rcXb8oFkCAePkORsk7RSk9uxbG/llYR 1xk1kZzJ8oVCUdvyS1h681SMd2FKQX6o4I1qE7LaprqTJPQ1fktwbpkOVlI2B7qTqTis 7/QIwsUWqQik4DDypFu6P7wK2pBgiRcEfpx8A= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :x-gm-message-state; bh=YuZAWrNsP5liSR5F5A5k5qENXYUOEv2hxtNxSiOydkU=; b=ECKk1yK9D8V04G/i7+CQNnTbgmZCGH5sXe8IL1hKueZU8p3zXNf2DDOuvXB6NVrbgG MYSZ7pczhx2ohpkBEYUU+KJ5cmfhNsaOsOex3F/HkM6Xhb+pt/sfsHPudZdgXtZTiUMG mM+pt1D60kbCiUPJOgcCpOEFdGuI3aysc+Fjzms9SceI6lOtBy4htuPfwb6ZPygx7GHy /49KWsAcw4R/pQG6rqktkeZZ2INzYallf1cp7+v1xLE5pMdhjFCRsC0wHJDuOlkTc0I5 VhdXukpWf+L+ob6fnrDg/iFUEJsWq8+tpgTHLFeQoPNSfZ7KdsicdbuSjAJ5mZgub13/ U1zQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: chris@rebertia.com In-Reply-To: <20121003203108.50406660f9e7843c7e2e99a7@gmx.net> References: <15f76508-437a-4d18-ac9b-16174ef172e8@googlegroups.com> <20121003203108.50406660f9e7843c7e2e99a7@gmx.net> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 21:47:33 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: y-1ID9ofY0H50NKLiWvxGd3XpUQ Subject: Re: Can somebody give me an advice about what to learn? From: Chris Rebert To: Wolfgang Keller Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkCSBBITkgNeWwDeufcbV0ip5NqiNOtGl9fDXh+Cj+S8MosGNGnu0TmBwShjoUR4xc/y275 Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1349326056 news.xs4all.nl 6948 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:53824 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:30710 On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Wolfgang Keller wrote: >> I'm really new to Usenet/Newsgroups, but... I'd like to learn some >> new programming language, because I learnt a bit of Perl though its >> OOP is ugly. So, after searching a bit, I found Python and Ruby, and >> both of they are cute. So, assuming you'll say me "learn python", why >> should I learn it over Ruby? > > The point why Ruby was started (perceived deficit of object-orientation) > has been remedied since Python 2.2. Not completely. At the least, there's arguably still the issue of len() and friends (vs. `.length` etc.), and also of `self` being explicit. Cheers, Chris