Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.048 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.91; '*S*': 0.00; 'bits': 0.09; 'git': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'jan': 0.12; '1:13': 0.16; 'fine.': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'garbage': 0.16; 'security?': 0.16; 'situation.': 0.16; 'sorts': 0.16; 'ssh': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'push': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'michael': 0.29; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'too.': 0.31; 'keys': 0.31; 'layer': 0.31; "we're": 0.32; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'passwords': 0.36; 'done': 0.36; 'shows': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'manager': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'easy': 0.60; 'most': 0.60; 'lower': 0.61; 'digital': 0.61; 'save': 0.62; 'subject:Hello': 0.72; 'yourself': 0.78; '2015': 0.84; 'subject:World': 0.91; 'trouble.': 0.91; 'to:none': 0.92 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=4BcW05ROfng2XokBkpdjuf502NnM7jG8/YlpKKMVljc=; b=e+Zpr0zp96xR2iVxOnYFwRIS/zLoxrBgO5VuH3k//FckWkD2PMDXtexzZVQljde2z3 264zvKr2R6H4RVc41lvn2PB7/htzG06Qf1c4dRYxdyT415a6vpvZded3cmXXf3USe3Xb peVpRQ/SxrkIXFmDxlqHBZiUts+FgWHc+BnvsZ6/uUBOX770iUDCrPfs9aJx6B+9bSWK CG+JERCWL23npCuxX/IKpVgBpmSg0t5OkADJGAdUqRZAubbNOM6lZ6P4LBfyng9CRmpw evspIxqjP48ZKCuP8RS/vDMyalS7YQsAZ95x3eJto4hQSO0rYiHe1HadI/mt6xA83vTc JbGA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.42.94.14 with SMTP id z14mr22224155icm.59.1421575254826; Sun, 18 Jan 2015 02:00:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <54BB16E4.90704@gmail.com> References: <54957226$0$12975$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <54ae7b75$0$15900$e4fe514c@dreader35.news.xs4all.nl> <54ba76e0$0$15897$e4fe514c@dreader35.news.xs4all.nl> <54baf443$0$13002$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <54BB16E4.90704@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 21:00:54 +1100 Subject: Re: Hello World From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1421575264 news.xs4all.nl 2948 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:56937 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:83973 On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Michael Torrie wrote: > Like many of you I use a password manager these days. It's pretty > slick. But really it shows the absurdity of the situation. Instead of > passwords we should all just use private/public keypairs and store the > private keys in a digital wallet. Forget this password garbage with > it's 50-70 bits of entropy. Let's go for 2048-bit keys and be done with > it, if we're going to require the use of password managers. Easy way to do a lot of that is to layer most things on top of SSH. I can pull/push git repositories using my SSH keypairs, I can access the local network mounts that way, all sorts of things can be done with a system that's already deployed. It's easy to put your own service on top of SSH too. Want simplicity? Passwords are fine. Want security? Push the encryption and authentication down to a lower layer, and save yourself the trouble. ChrisA