Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!aioe.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.008 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'argument': 0.05; 'root': 0.05; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'logic': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'root,': 0.09; 'language.': 0.14; '(via': 0.16; 'increment': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'reminded': 0.16; 'ssh': 0.16; 'sure.': 0.16; 'applies': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'user.': 0.19; '>>>': 0.22; 'rules': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'days,': 0.24; 'login': 0.25; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'van': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'michael': 0.29; 'chris': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; '>>>>': 0.31; "we're": 0.32; 'run': 0.32; 'guess': 0.33; 'except': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'opposed': 0.36; 'passwords': 0.36; 'doing': 0.36; "didn't": 0.36; 'two': 0.37; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.38; "couldn't": 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'changed': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'course': 0.61; 'you.': 0.62; 'real': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'accounts': 0.64; 'account': 0.65; 'direct': 0.67; 'between': 0.67; 'secure': 0.71; 'subject:Hello': 0.72; 'cut': 0.74; 'article': 0.77; 'enforced': 0.84; 'whereby': 0.84; 'albert': 0.91; 'passwords,': 0.91; 'subject:World': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Hello World Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 18:31:47 +0000 References: <54957226$0$12975$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <54ae7b75$0$15900$e4fe514c@dreader35.news.xs4all.nl> <54ba76e0$0$15897$e4fe514c@dreader35.news.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-92-24-222-48.ppp.as43234.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1421519526 news.xs4all.nl 2888 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:38416 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:83939 On 17/01/2015 16:47, cl@isbd.net wrote: > Michael Torrie wrote: >> On 01/17/2015 07:51 AM, Albert van der Horst wrote: >>> In article , >>> Chris Angelico wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> But sure. If you want to cut out complication, dispense with user >>>> accounts altogether and run everything as root. That's WAY simpler! >>> >>> I didn't except this strawman argument from you. >>> Of course you need a distinction between doing system things as >>> root, and working as a normal user. You just don't need sudo. >> >> I just don't see the distinction. What's the difference between having >> to type in a root password and having to type in your own administrative >> user password? Guess we're all just struggling to understand your logic >> here. >> > One big distinction is that you need to know two passwords to get root > access if there's a real root account as opposed to using sudo. This > only applies of course if direct root login isn't allowed (via ssh or > whatever). > Bah humbug, this has reminded me of doing secure work whereby each individual had two passwords, both of which had to be changed every thirty days, and rules were enforced so you couldn't just increment the number at the end of a word or similar. -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence