Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!lightspeed.eweka.nl!lightspeed.eweka.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'conventions': 0.07; 'string': 0.09; 'etc).': 0.09; 'http,': 0.09; 'oop,': 0.09; 'parameter': 0.09; 'php,': 0.09; 'processing,': 0.09; 'testing,': 0.09; 'subject:How': 0.10; '-tkc': 0.16; 'c/c++': 0.16; 'command-line': 0.16; 'csv': 0.16; 'dump': 0.16; 'easily,': 0.16; 'expressions,': 0.16; 'from:addr:python.list': 0.16; 'from:addr:tim.thechases.com': 0.16; 'from:name:tim chase': 0.16; 'ftp,': 0.16; 'ideally,': 0.16; 'imap,': 0.16; 'irks': 0.16; 'language?': 0.16; 'naming': 0.16; 'pdb': 0.16; 'repl': 0.16; 'smtp,': 0.16; 'stdlib.': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'library': 0.18; '(the': 0.22; 'programming': 0.22; 'errors.': 0.24; 'java': 0.24; 'first,': 0.26; 'world,': 0.26; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; 'properties': 0.29; 'quickly': 0.29; 'thus': 0.29; 'andrew': 0.30; 'see,': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'equality': 0.31; 'inspect': 0.31; 'libraries': 0.31; 'stuff': 0.32; 'option': 0.32; 'regular': 0.32; 'standards': 0.33; 'agree': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'etc': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'object,': 0.36; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'so,': 0.37; 'received:10': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'subject:new': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'stock': 0.39; 'subject:" ': 0.39; 'sure': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'how': 0.40; 'worry': 0.60; 'networking': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'great': 0.65; 'details': 0.65; 'within': 0.65; 'world': 0.66; 'market': 0.66; 'prompt': 0.68; 'lack': 0.78 X-Sender-Id: wwwh|x-authuser|tim@thechases.com X-Sender-Id: wwwh|x-authuser|tim@thechases.com X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: wwwh|x-authuser|tim@thechases.com X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: wwwh X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1421426250685:3552763980 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1421426250286 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 10:39:28 -0600 From: Tim Chase To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: How to "wow" someone new to Python In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.10; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AuthUser: tim@thechases.com X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1421431000 news.xs4all.nl 2890 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:42320 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl X-Received-Bytes: 5228 X-Received-Body-CRC: 2354058095 Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:83892 On 2015-01-17 02:03, Chris Angelico wrote: > Ideally, this should be something that can be demo'd quickly and > easily, and it should be impressive without going into great details > of "and see, this is how it works on the inside". So, how would you > brag about this language? First, I agree with Andrew Berg's suggestion about the breadth of the stdlib. This always irks me when I have to return to the C/C++ world where there's no standard library for things like networking (and thus no stock libraries for IMAP, SMTP, HTTP, FTP, etc or email-message handling), CSV processing, regular expressions, zip/tar/zlib files, SHA1/MD5, command-line option processing, threading, and no available-everywhere GUI. In the Java world, it feels like much of this is available, but that the glommed-on standards have multiple ways to do them (the old way(s) and the new/improved way). In PHP, well...that's just PHP (difficult-to-grok equality testing, inconsistent naming conventions and parameter ordering, lack of namespacing, easy-to-screw-up string interpolation, hacky OOP, etc). My fast-introduction go-to items are dir() and help() within the REPL interface. Nothing speeds up my development like being able to drop to a PDB prompt and inspect an object, ask what properties it supports, dump them, get help on them, etc. There's also the bigint stuff that means I don't have to worry about over/underflow errors. I'm sure there are more great ideas, but how you market might depend on your audience's background in programming (what language did they use and what pain-points did they experience). -tkc