Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.017 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.97; '*S*': 0.00; 'package,': 0.03; "'python": 0.09; 'instance.': 0.09; 'otherwise)': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'setup.py': 0.09; 'steps:': 0.09; '\xe2\x80\x94': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; '"python': 0.16; 'finney': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'recognise': 0.16; 'subject:install': 0.16; 'url:html)': 0.16; 'url:pip': 0.16; 'why,': 0.16; 'appropriate': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; '(the': 0.22; 'code,': 0.22; 'install': 0.23; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'package.': 0.24; 'question': 0.24; 'equivalent': 0.26; 'skip:" 20': 0.27; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'installed': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'chris': 0.29; 'especially': 0.30; 'extract': 0.31; 'though.': 0.31; 'writes:': 0.31; 'run': 0.32; 'quite': 0.32; 'packaging': 0.33; 'common': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'beyond': 0.35; 'more,': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'version': 0.36; 'doing': 0.36; "didn't": 0.36; 'material': 0.36; 'thanks': 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'virtual': 0.37; 'wrong': 0.37; 'ben': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'that,': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'moving': 0.39; 'subject:" ': 0.39; 'use.': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'is.': 0.60; 'most': 0.60; 'mentioned': 0.61; 'skip:* 10': 0.61; 'simply': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; 'information': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'skip:\xe2 10': 0.65; 'details': 0.65; 'details,': 0.68; 'bothered': 0.68; '8bit%:43': 0.74; 'power': 0.76; 'answered,': 0.84; 'compiling': 0.84; 'end-user': 0.84; 'env': 0.84; 'latest,': 0.84; 'received:125': 0.84; 'url:latest': 0.91; '\xe2\x80\x9cthe': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Ben Finney Subject: Re: What does "pip install" do? Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 22:08:56 +1100 References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jigong.madmonks.org X-Public-Key-ID: 0xAC128405 X-Public-Key-Fingerprint: 517C F14B B2F3 98B0 CB35 4855 B8B2 4C06 AC12 8405 X-Public-Key-URL: http://www.benfinney.id.au/contact/bfinney-pubkey.asc X-Post-From: Ben Finney User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:2FO2XGPsxD4XKusCKxdjD7XWbdc= X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 52 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1421233733 news.xs4all.nl 2908 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:54480 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!bete-des-vosges.org!feed.ac-versailles.fr!nerim.net!novso.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:83744 Fabien writes: > On 12.01.2015 23:46, Chris Angelico wrote: > > As far as I know, it's equivalent to three steps: > > > > 1) Download the appropriate version of a package (the latest, if you > > didn't say otherwise) > > 2) Extract that package > > 3) Run 'python setup.py'. > > > > What setup.py does is up to the package, but for a pure-Python > > package it should simply create something in site-packages. It might > > do a lot more, though - compiling C or Fortran code, for instance. > > Thanks Chris. I should then rephrase my question to "what does python > setup.pt do?" ;-). You're re-phrasing that as a question which has already been answered, though. What ‘setup.py’ actually does is up to each package. Some are quite small and simple; others are large complex applications. > My point was also that I think that this information (mostly: what > will change on my system or my virtual env when I install a python > package?) could/should be provided in the mentioned resources: > > "Python Packaging Authority" website > (https://pip.pypa.io/en/latest/user_guide.html), > "python-packaging-user-guide" > (http://python-packaging-user-guide.readthedocs.org/en/latest/installing.html) Why, though? The point of an end-user program is that an end-user should not need to be bothered by what it does internally, only what the observable behaviour is. In the case of ‘pip install’, the observable behaviour is that a package is installed and ready for use. Your questions drive ever toward “What is the *implementation* of this?” which is not material suitable for a user guide — especially when the implementation details are in much more appropriate documents . If you want to learn about the internals and the implementation details, you are expressly moving beyond the scope of the user guide. There's nothing wrong with doing that, but you need to recognise the shift and look for the appropriate documentation. -- \ “The most common way people give up their power is by thinking | `\ they don't have any.” —Alice Walker | _o__) | Ben Finney