Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.02; 'startup': 0.05; 'mentioned,': 0.07; 'python': 0.09; 'subject:Why': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.10; 'thread': 0.11; '(either': 0.16; '-s,': 0.16; 'cc:name:python list': 0.16; 'comparison.': 0.16; 'thread.': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'comparing': 0.17; 'copied': 0.17; 'test.': 0.17; '>>>': 0.18; 'windows': 0.19; 'import': 0.21; 'fraction': 0.22; 'installation': 0.23; 'cc:2**0': 0.23; 'seems': 0.23; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'appear': 0.26; 'setting': 0.26; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'actual': 0.28; 'dan': 0.29; 'measure': 0.29; 'though.': 0.29; 'folder': 0.30; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'pm,': 0.35; 'subject:?': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'test': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'does': 0.37; 'two': 0.37; 'why': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'there,': 0.38; 'where': 0.40; 'subject:-': 0.40; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'think': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'real': 0.61; 'jul': 0.65; 'informative,': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=c/S6jBytjwR7dQL5nScEAJ1DztE7+q+QzqI6DZilnkQ=; b=P+ZAtCiWVysZPyStpgX7jPgJ7V0+d/PEhFJNCLoxSGM5bMjcZAA/hQlMgK5R97AeHb e2erpRWXWlJYgVNfP5iO14ZRW7VCu/j6T7b4wZVxcULJA9tZKb4SG9sUgdCinyvPmjDI b+wh3GQ/QCxNuVFEx0rS4sE/lT8PJg6TlKcYFcQGCmei1IHZlTsGvyWSQN/WSg+qPiCG meD/fkusVm0ibI+ulyLNm69IKEiqy4gAkC+tSnW7z0cNzv8EFApFeFB1hmBN5zB0K4BY v7ieO2lCKn1+s9IYEzLrahaFSIWaZTv40a6ohUkxJIPZQt+3hu1WqXNbeSM+bObqaEHR Kr5g== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: Ian Kelly Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 17:44:05 -0600 Subject: Re: Why site-packages? To: Dan Stromberg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Python List X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1341359077 news.xs4all.nl 6957 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:33054 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:24841 On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Dan Stromberg wrote: >>> Right now this all seems highly speculative to me. I think it might >>> be informative, either to you or to me, to do an actual timing test. >>> Why don't you try setting up two side-by-side installations of Python, >>> one with all the site-packages cruft, and one trimmed down to only >>> what you think should be in there, and see if you can measure a real >>> difference in startup time? >> >> In the original stackoverflow thread I mentioned, there's a speed >> comparison. > > That's just comparing using -S against not using -S, though. As I > understand it, you don't want to use -S; you still want to import site > but just want to pare down your site-packages for a speedup. I ran a quick test where I copied my Python 2.5 installation on Windows and cleared out the site-packages folder and ran the test from the stackoverflow thread. With crufty site-packages: 0.18s With empty site-packages: 0.16s With -S (either installation): 0.10s So there does appear to be some improvement, but only a fraction of what I get by using -S.