Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.mixmin.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.014 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.97; '*S*': 0.00; 'source.': 0.07; 'false,': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; 'jan': 0.12; 'bool': 0.16; 'exist.': 0.16; 'fiddle': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'happily': 0.16; 'instantiated': 0.16; 'merely': 0.16; 'subclass': 0.16; 'subclassing': 0.16; '(you': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'replace': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'class.': 0.26; 'values': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; 'andrew': 0.30; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; '13,': 0.31; 'assert': 0.31; 'class': 0.32; 'there.': 0.32; 'worked': 0.33; 'could': 0.34; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'data,': 0.36; 'false': 0.36; 'even': 0.60; 'most': 0.60; 'new': 0.61; 'name': 0.63; 'containing': 0.69; "'true'": 0.84; '2015': 0.84; 'huh?': 0.84; 'safe.': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.92 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=kP6rTMfCUH+jSpNHunoKMFkWBP+vcLRfZRWMqddb6ik=; b=ylVQESiT7VAQ/LcI8HAs9fq+GaBkwld3ib2TCA+8Bc7lYWBFXnqZis5vfO/K6O4S8q gcmXgrdrYJhD4kQ6E4tYNom+z4mXKtaEfNoxcLhizxKn5IZFIfnE0h03fM6TmPB8Huej qxIhFYV9mpvbqi0USWwGRUjpAOF613J0oPIRk37OTjmGt1mLUJdkiHC71lNow+PoowGH tKRteJycZHf2tIxkRZ/NCjadViAnTAx3Ld2gtRXEDoFcbVpBhnz2CB/ma3F1zB63qfNp LmzO5OZYGXMYRLKlz7pn9/Af0MdLa7vv6VknRH/54LPmtuDDGAu1k/OliNj8ip2mNVh3 IogA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.62.104 with SMTP id x8mr9064265igr.2.1421102144112; Mon, 12 Jan 2015 14:35:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <54B44A64.7010105@r3dsolutions.com> References: <54ABB88A.7070504@r3dsolutions.com> <54ABC52A.1050507@davea.name> <54ABE383.3020801@r3dsolutions.com> <54AC97D9.4010504@r3dsolutions.com> <54ACAA04.60801@r3dsolutions.com> <54ADC99F.3020405@stoneleaf.us> <54B44A64.7010105@r3dsolutions.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 09:35:43 +1100 Subject: Re: Comparisons and sorting of a numeric class.... From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1421102146 news.xs4all.nl 2888 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:45461 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:83644 On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:27 AM, Andrew Robinson wrote: > Huh? I'm not adding any values when I merely subclass bool ; and even if the > subclass could be instantiated -- that's doesn't mean a new value or > instance of the base class (bool) must exist. For I could happily work with > a new subclass that contains no new data, but only an already existing > instance of 'True' or 'False' as its value source. That means there is no > new value... but at most (and even that could be worked around) a new > instance of a subclass containing an existing instance of it's base class. If you subclass bool and instantiate your subclass, you have made a new instance of bool, because every instance of a subclass is an instance of its superclass. The Python bool type has the following invariant, for any object x: assert not isinstance(x, bool) or x is True or x is False (You can fiddle with this in Py2 by rebinding the names True and False, but you could replace those names with (1==1) and (1==0) if you want to be completely safe. Likewise, the name "bool" could be replaced with (1==1).__class__ to avoid any stupidities there. But conceptually, that's the invariant.) Subclassing bool breaks this invariant, unless you never instantiate the subclass, in which case it's completely useless. ChrisA