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Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 01:19:38 +1000
Subject: Re: Software epigrams
From: Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com>
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On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 1:06 AM, rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 16, 7:37 pm, Chris Angelico <ros...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 12:23 AM, Neil Cerutti <ne...@norwich.edu> wrote:
>> > When I tried to pin down what an irrelevant detail in a computer
>> > program could be, I couldn't do it. I guess comment decorations,
>> > maybe? But those would have no bearing on the level of problem
>> > for which a programming language is most appropriate.
>>
>> Let me give you a real example.
>> [snip]
>
> You are just saying (in specific detail) what I said, viz that the
> programmer is one who 'relevates' ie sifts the relevant from the
> irrelevant and a good programming language is one that gives good
> relevating tools:
> http://blog.languager.org/2013/02/c-in-education-and-software-engineering.html

Right. All I'm adding is a concrete example - which, I think, will be
helpful to Neil, and perhaps to others too.

ChrisA