Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.022 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.96; '*S*': 0.00; 'programmer': 0.03; '16,': 0.03; 'operator': 0.03; 'subject:Python': 0.06; '*is*': 0.09; 'yeah,': 0.09; '+1.': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'traverse': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'thu,': 0.19; 'meetings': 0.22; 'fairly': 0.24; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'quickly': 0.29; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'attend': 0.31; 'layer': 0.31; 'figure': 0.32; 'problem': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'requirements': 0.37; 'project': 0.37; 'easily': 0.37; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'authority': 0.60; 'is.': 0.60; 'subject:Fwd': 0.61; 'telephone': 0.63; 'kind': 0.63; 'skip:n 10': 0.64; 'eight': 0.74; 'theoretical': 0.74; 'bored': 0.84; 'rusi': 0.91; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ABx1Ll0Txmp8z5uBAVzgUt7qmrjbSaPM8tJmIR9u/ic=; b=xSU27uPo2r33WYKkCfrWetLI8QLRPFGmsknsoZypdKV7p+s9/q1F+mOETZ29O61jMZ oVIWRI4uOJft+vkGqCvUxLR6c5gT+UD8Qt6Xf6GHhWYBJkmuBeUR0+3tnwubgjoTusMV xI6wHe1RW7FlDo6Cs1IElIjQIztclrlDdCqG+x4jBpvnJvqOIlLSbkMfjXZ8UTDjDvKH HVRKOFOUylz2b3CN9ZxGuGzv58dJuj+lfLisBHId4EG9QVkUmr1eF4AnohMpD6xUrKl8 L3LfhW8+/ysNIGHD2xhIp5Ol6Q8BxARj+yVYT+T5m42gCc/bms8dCHf9jqbkttZsV7fI UE7w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.187.164 with SMTP id ft4mr14090488vec.5.1368712813014; Thu, 16 May 2013 07:00:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5191cbc9$0$29978$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <97a2c8b5-af49-4b05-aded-b326d17a211c@a15g2000pbu.googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 00:00:12 +1000 Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: Fwd: Python for philosophers From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1368712815 news.xs4all.nl 15973 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:57822 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:45422 On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 11:46 PM, rusi wrote: > IOW a programmer is one who quickly and easily comes to the nub/core/ > kernel/essence of a problem and as easily and adroitly shaves off the > irrelevant. +1. This is a fairly good description of a programmer's job. Of course, that's the theoretical and pure programmer... a professional programmer often has to: * Figure out what the problem *is* based on an incomplet description from an incompetent user via a bored telephone operator * Traverse a morass of bureaucratic requirements and politicking just to get the necessary hardware/software to do his work * Deal with the Layer Eight firewalling against the implementation of the solution he comes up with * Attend inane meetings with bikeshedding non-technical people who have some kind of authority over the project * Etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. But yeah, that's what a programmer is. :) ChrisA