Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!goblin2!goblin.stu.neva.ru!newsfeed1.swip.net!uio.no!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.031 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.94; '*S*': 0.00; 'implements': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'bug': 0.12; 'jan': 0.12; 'operands': 0.16; 'url:decimal': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'module': 0.19; 'differ': 0.19; 'thu,': 0.19; 'import': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'specifies': 0.24; 'cheers,': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'skip:" 30': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'idea': 0.28; 'chris': 0.29; 'raise': 0.29; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; '"",': 0.31; '>>>>': 0.31; 'decimal': 0.31; 'occurs': 0.31; 'subject:numbers': 0.31; 'subject:other': 0.31; 'file': 0.32; 'skip:c 30': 0.32; '(most': 0.33; 'noticed': 0.34; 'skip:d 20': 0.34; "i'd": 0.34; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'pm,': 0.38; 'recent': 0.39; 'to:addr:gmail.com': 0.65; 'invalid': 0.68; 'power': 0.76; 'behavior': 0.77; '2015': 0.84; 'sender:addr:chris': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rebertia.com; s=google; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ODIeVGYmaItciEmxD1V1nx7eGxT3Aq3QeOwjFiO/0Eo=; b=OyBEwmtJQ1zoGLh+Lsbr/IKRhD5tOEJhT9ZgNhVY5+iZsGq1smeVQ9xkkwh+S32UAp gl0bZq1h7+CiXpe2sqbI4PawmX28oE07LdrtO5z02fmtltCkZ71L6Xbj4XNpGVAKWh0T /lpGLlSvQBurbcqHIOA9x6LyIMjgRoC4+7r1o= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ODIeVGYmaItciEmxD1V1nx7eGxT3Aq3QeOwjFiO/0Eo=; b=W1G8/kVeVd0K4HsPEzorTWGQRQgoghOJj8W6IDD21D2+FjimhpQYARg+1wn8h3llav PfxMHnqFVR+aVnkF/D0Q7MlDlUgR49A4eiHNMJ3fmlFq5z3Hfx1lWb0paRoleFA+vvPK SjeT+aFBxGtfvk79u0Up3C9JFqqWPu8PUGr1D6dcnbu1BBzQS4VumnfjUtW968SWo3Cb zT4ps7eWuR4SSoI1K0t901QsbuIv7pArdmOMrySIun9OkoAai6F13v2BET39VqwpDjxC fb99o3BxMvUREEXFmOJyYepWUqI0GEdsHVGV3wDkGVcV3DXul4XBtrmXFMNgJESZDU8D eeTA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnFaLZSQcNpclwVvElKZM83BVlT2vEx0vvV6FNwQh1Zsme051wCz7Lc0TUT/YIQbRR5qCsP MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.42.44.197 with SMTP id c5mr11156272icf.35.1420772016965; Thu, 08 Jan 2015 18:53:36 -0800 (PST) Sender: chris@rebertia.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 18:53:36 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: v8rsXf3PwWwMlvuBsMKD5SiybyA Subject: Re: Decimals and other numbers From: Chris Rebert To: Devin Jeanpierre Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: "comp.lang.python" X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1420772019 news.xs4all.nl 2878 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:48530 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:83396 On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 6:33 PM, Devin Jeanpierre wrote: > I noticed some very PHP-ish behavior today: > >>>> import decimal >>>> x = 0 >>>> y = float(x) >>>> z = decimal.Decimal(x) >>>> x == y == z == x > True >>>> x ** x > 1 >>>> y**y > 1.0 >>>> z**z > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "", line 1, in > File "/usr/lib/python2.7/decimal.py", line 2216, in __pow__ > return context._raise_error(InvalidOperation, '0 ** 0') > File "/usr/lib/python2.7/decimal.py", line 3872, in _raise_error > raise error(explanation) > decimal.InvalidOperation: 0 ** 0 > > I'd file a bug report but I'm anticipating some rational (heh) > explanation. Any ideas? The `decimal` std lib module implements the General Decimal Arithmetic Specification (http://speleotrove.com/decimal/decarith.html ). In the "Exceptional conditions" section (http://speleotrove.com/decimal/daexcep.html ), it specifies the following: Invalid operation This occurs and signals invalid-operation if: [...] * both operands of the power operation are zero No idea why it chose to differ from IEEE-754. Cheers, Chris