Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.085 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.83; '*S*': 0.00; 'received:209.85.160.174': 0.07; 'subject:code': 0.07; 'beginners': 0.09; 'itself,': 0.09; 'notation': 0.09; 'assume': 0.11; 'already,': 0.16; 'pitch': 0.16; 'simplified': 0.16; 'mon,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'sender:addr:gmail.com': 0.18; 'aspect': 0.22; 'context.': 0.22; "i've": 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'all.': 0.28; 'key,': 0.29; 'music.': 0.29; "i'm": 0.29; 'that.': 0.30; 'link.': 0.30; 'system,': 0.32; 'could': 0.32; 'anyone': 0.33; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.33; 'equal': 0.33; 'another': 0.33; 'agree': 0.34; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'same.': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'except': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'child': 0.36; 'depends': 0.36; "didn't": 0.36; 'signature': 0.37; 'why': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'fact': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'system.': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'called': 0.39; 'where': 0.40; 'skip:" 10': 0.40; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'claim': 0.60; 'john': 0.60; 'relationship': 0.60; 'header:Message-Id:1': 0.62; 'between': 0.63; 'choose': 0.65; 'jul': 0.65; 'subject': 0.66; 'deeply': 0.66; 'talking': 0.66; 'benefit': 0.70; 'miss': 0.75; 'music': 0.79; '(pdt)': 0.91; 'rusi': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references :x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xfy2z/X9mlzkMSpSJOP6EDVdFoTZnAAdqdyf1aV1exs=; b=MxtDgLJCAYp0GMtb3WT90BIzXPVvaghiOc8EsrlnNAleXBlCvx1ealquKtHbzzYhoX vmdDdNzaf90P/tESRA6dPMtilzePlmzoa+9wu8/VUztrZ8Y/ARZYveWuaoBxTRtWwHhd LmD7QBX/EpwhyYHpe9l6B1HzLE/1TQ10/fIPN678WH1vZk9WZchJV9rZU/BfUG7wi9MQ PtaVlk+fUCPSTH07jVVl7GSTDSs/i+uquDkfZdILWTambqyKHNHdt8tvlrDPxOH/xsgD RKF1H2lSrY02Tk6pTECO/WxIcPzhjNpyEUfJlFvKp5bxbyoO3vONGxA8hZcJwn7QXnHp olAQ== Sender: "John O'Hagan" Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 00:59:19 +1000 From: John O'Hagan To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: code review In-Reply-To: <3f15d831-45bb-471c-8d49-a2db21e67c7a@nl1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com> References: <2662370.TGmo96CKe1@PointedEars.de> <87wr2oecf6.fsf@dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr> <4FEF7117.7000109@jollybox.de> <4fefb0ad$0$29988$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <43f27741-bd1b-4c15-9822-c196b8b0396e@x39g2000yqx.googlegroups.com> <4ff24384$0$29988$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <3f15d831-45bb-471c-8d49-a2db21e67c7a@nl1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.2.0beta9 (GTK+ 2.24.10; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 40 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1341327575 news.xs4all.nl 6960 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:54172 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:24820 On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 22:10:00 -0700 (PDT) rusi wrote: > On Jul 3, 7:25 am, John O'Hagan wrote: > > > > I agree to some extent, but as a counter-example, when I was a child there > > a subject called "Weights and Measures" which is now redundant because of > > the Metric system. I don't miss hogsheads and fathoms at all. > > > > Music is another field which could do with a "metrification": I get tired of > > explaining to beginners why there's no B#, except when it's C. Check > > outhttp://musicnotation.org > > You assume that equal temperament is the only way to have music. > Apart from the fact that there are non-tempered musics all over the > world, even Bach Mozart and Beethoven did not write for/to equal > temperament. In a pure/untempered C-scale A-flat is almost half a > semitone sharper than G-sharp -- 8/5 vs 25/16. > [...] I don't assume that at all :) If you didn't already, have look at the link. I was talking about notation of the normal everyday contemporary tempered system where there is no pitch difference between Ab and G#. But even in a just system, any difference between them depends on the system itself, the key, and whether you choose to call them that. I've never heard anyone claim that C is sharper than B#, although in the key of E the relationship would be the same. AIUI there is any number of whole number ratios which fall between seven and nine tempered semitones above the fundamental (to take your example), and in C, any one of them could be called either Ab or G# depending on the key signature or other context. IMHO, that's the aspect that could benefit from a simplified representation. To the OP, I'm deeply sorry! -- John