Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!xlned.com!feeder5.xlned.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.034 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.93; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:: [': 0.04; 'output': 0.05; 'level,': 0.07; 'permitted': 0.07; 'cc:addr :python-list': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; 'language,': 0.12; '>>': 0.16; 'builders': 0.16; 'permitted.': 0.16; 'relevance': 0.16; 'relevant.': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'trying': 0.19; 'subject:] ': 0.20; 'input': 0.22; 'memory': 0.22; 'email addr:gmail.com>': 0.22; 'shell': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'load': 0.23; 'java': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.24; '>': 0.26; 'handling': 0.26; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'url:mailman': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'pipe': 0.31; 'them?': 0.31; 'stuff': 0.32; 'another': 0.32; 'url:python': 0.33; 'something': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'done': 0.36; 'url:listinfo': 0.36; 'doing': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'example,': 0.37; 'two': 0.37; 'level': 0.37; 'handle': 0.38; 'url:mail': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'hope': 0.61; 'till': 0.61; 'numbers': 0.61; 'high': 0.63; 'maximum': 0.63; 'management': 0.65; 'details': 0.65; 'low': 0.83; 'bread': 0.84; 'garden,': 0.84; 'gardening': 0.84; 'irrelevant': 0.84; 'redirecting': 0.84; 'weather': 0.84; 'plant': 0.91; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=W5A9Iti+72MjkvURVJAUsYT4KJSOO4qN5xZ/Eo7uqj4=; b=L8KK9I7ZAz15j5UXc2BonowjrDJDxb3reB99S00LTOsZDnhwRMy+okPmyMtgyF8a+v WaOjbbooqW8qBA4Y+p2GJCwLP08sap7LaeKaKOf+oJS2TSOEo24+qLr4juBlE0jgEyDt 5ysi3BgvD/d9uYsovZfHeENo/SABUyLs0APocIgkAzQExlLVQBna+zF1kNTZYu4RzHnJ s9ImXn+OX5v1rtGZxvOBef9OpjqrgpL5eL8K/E70Z9jk7yPjom95k/bHAPDkRLBRgCKn bBG9vX8aFwVOTaRa1jy17CJTvEGPrfHr4bzmEPwq8vj/gQt0FRcFXw+cxkW337I1o9/s A/lg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.192.6 with SMTP id do6mr30096687qab.82.1368663712562; Wed, 15 May 2013 17:21:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5190b049$0$29978$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 01:21:52 +0100 Subject: Re: [Off topic] Software epigrams From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E1bio_Santos?= To: Neil Cerutti Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf300fb1cb679f8b04dccadacf Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 80 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1368663721 news.xs4all.nl 15900 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:42182 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:45383 --20cf300fb1cb679f8b04dccadacf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 15 May 2013 19:33, "Neil Cerutti" wrote: > > On 2013-05-15, F?bio Santos wrote: > >> It is a tautology is disguise. When you use a low level > >> language, low level details are relevant to the scope of your > >> program. > > > > I don't see it that way. I think relevance and level are two > > unrelated concepts. > > > > For example, in python you are handling irrelevant things if > > you are trying to start a program and redirecting its standard > > output into another program's standard input instead of just > > using the shell and a pipe to do it. > > > > And in C you are just at the right level to write something for > > a microchip, but then again you are doing a load of irrelevant > > stuff if you need to work numbers larger than the maximum > > permitted. > > If you need numbers larger than the maximum permitted then all > the code you write to handle them is relevant. > > If I want to bake bread I hope I don't have to till a garden, > plant the wheat, harvest the wheat, and grind the wheat. But > gardening is relevant to bread baking weather or not I do it. > > -- > Neil Cerutti > -- > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list Then memory management t is relevant to every python program even though it's done by the interpreter? And in Java we have factories, builders and builderfactories. What's so relevant about them? Java is high level, no? --20cf300fb1cb679f8b04dccadacf Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1


On 15 May 2013 19:33, "Neil Cerutti" <neilc@norwich.edu> wrote:
>
> On 2013-05-15, F?bio Santos <fabiosantosart@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> It is a tautology is disguise. When you use a low level
> >> language, low level details are relevant to the scope of your
> >> program.
> >
> > I don't see it that way. I think relevance and level are two
> > unrelated concepts.
> >
> > For example, in python you are handling irrelevant things if
> > you are trying to start a program and redirecting its standard
> > output into another program's standard input instead of just
> > using the shell and a pipe to do it.
> >
> > And in C you are just at the right level to write something for
> > a microchip, but then again you are doing a load of irrelevant
> > stuff if you need to work numbers larger than the maximum
> > permitted.
>
> If you need numbers larger than the maximum permitted then all
> the code you write to handle them is relevant.
>
> If I want to bake bread I hope I don't have to till a garden,
> plant the wheat, harvest the wheat, and grind the wheat. But
> gardening is relevant to bread baking weather or not I do it.
>
> --
> Neil Cerutti
> --
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Then memory management t is relevant to every python program even though it's done by the interpreter?

And in Java we have factories, builders and builderfactories. What's so relevant about them? Java is high level, no?

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